Why? Why did they start with episodes that were so vanilla? :wall:
The last few episodes have set the series up so well. It can go in so many directions. I hope by some miracle it gets another season. I've done my part by pre-ordering the DVDs.
The network obviously got control of the first ones and tried to have them have the same situation everyweek
just different settings. That's the way they operate. That's why you have most shows such as the CIS ones and
the cop ones do the same thing over and over. The only thing that saves these shows are the actors in them.
NCIS would be boring as the dickens if it wasn't for that cast.
Quote from: Spooky on April 10, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
Why? Why did they start with episodes that were so vanilla? :wall:
The last few episodes have set the series up so well. It can go in so many directions. I hope by some miracle it gets another season. I've done my part by pre-ordering the DVDs.
We weer sp straight out yesterday with company ( seems we are the "go-to" place for familial gatherings on holidays ) that I never even thought of Dollhouse until this monring .
:wall:
I just let all six Star Wars movies play on the tv all day long .
:wall:
So it was good , eh ?
Like as in "Sierra gets nekkid and makes out with Echo" good ? Or just "nekkid Sierra" ?
One track mind - I have it
:D
( although the British chick is all sorts of hawt herownslf - and Mellie's quite dishy too , in fact , nothing against Eliza , but she's running last in the pretty department on this show )
So what happened ?
( use spoiler tag if you must )
???
Quote from: Phyll33 on April 11, 2009, 07:30:58 AM
The network obviously got control of the first ones and tried to have them have the same situation everyweek
just different settings. That's the way they operate. That's why you have most shows such as the CIS ones and
the cop ones do the same thing over and over. The only thing that saves these shows are the actors in them.
NCIS would be boring as the dickens if it wasn't for that cast.
"Formula" is for babies and people who can't organise higher thought processes .
Explains the mindset of suits , eh ?
:wall:
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on April 11, 2009, 07:32:39 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on April 11, 2009, 07:30:58 AM
The network obviously got control of the first ones and tried to have them have the same situation everyweek
just different settings. That's the way they operate. That's why you have most shows such as the CIS ones and
the cop ones do the same thing over and over. The only thing that saves these shows are the actors in them.
NCIS would be boring as the dickens if it wasn't for that cast.
"Formula" is for babies and people who can't organise higher thought processes .
Explains the mindset of suits , eh ?
:wall:
Yep, they all seem to be programmed and can't think outside the box. That is supposed to be why they
hire creative writers and then they stifle them. They are very insecure and indecisive and afraid to take
a chance. Sounds like the networks have hired a bunch of wimps.
Quote from: Phyll33 on April 11, 2009, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on April 11, 2009, 07:32:39 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on April 11, 2009, 07:30:58 AM
The network obviously got control of the first ones and tried to have them have the same situation everyweek
just different settings. That's the way they operate. That's why you have most shows such as the CIS ones and
the cop ones do the same thing over and over. The only thing that saves these shows are the actors in them.
NCIS would be boring as the dickens if it wasn't for that cast.
"Formula" is for babies and people who can't organise higher thought processes .
Explains the mindset of suits , eh ?
:wall:
Yep, they all seem to be programmed and can't think outside the box. That is supposed to be why they
hire creative writers and then they stifle them. They are very insecure and indecisive and afraid to take
a chance. Sounds like the networks have hired a bunch of wimps.
Yeah , wimps who think they are "Alphas" no less .
:P
"Formula" is why we have three CSI, four Law&Order (or whatever number) and no Firefly.
The sad thing is that it works. We hate it, but there are plenty who dig it.
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on April 11, 2009, 07:31:14 AM
So what happened ?
( use spoiler tag if you must )
???
[spoiler](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/spoiler_alert.png)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Eric on April 11, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
"Formula" is why we have three CSI, four Law&Order (or whatever number) and no Firefly.
The sad thing is that it works. We hate it, but there are plenty who dig it.
That's because the masses lack the concentration needed to follow a serialized show .
Perhaps if we had camps to improve their attention spans .
Concentration camps ?
:-\
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on April 11, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
Quote from: Eric on April 11, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
"Formula" is why we have three CSI, four Law&Order (or whatever number) and no Firefly.
The sad thing is that it works. We hate it, but there are plenty who dig it.
That's because the masses lack the concentration needed to follow a serialized show .
Perhaps if we had camps to improve their attention spans .
Concentration camps ?
:-\
Still here. Just about ready to shut down but had to comment on this. The masses have been watching
serialized shows for decades. Look at the popularity of soap operas so that doesn't compute as to their
reason. Look at how popular shows like Dallas and Dynasty were. When did this mindless same every
week come about? It hasn't been that long ago. It appears that the PTB got scared of trying anything
different or there was a turn over at the top a decade ago and the new guys just didn't have the gumption
or guts to do anything except the sure thing.
Quote from: Phyll33 on April 11, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on April 11, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
Quote from: Eric on April 11, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
"Formula" is why we have three CSI, four Law&Order (or whatever number) and no Firefly.
The sad thing is that it works. We hate it, but there are plenty who dig it.
That's because the masses lack the concentration needed to follow a serialized show .
Perhaps if we had camps to improve their attention spans .
Concentration camps ?
:-\
Still here. Just about ready to shut down but had to comment on this. The masses have been watching
serialized shows for decades. Look at the popularity of soap operas so that doesn't compute as to their
reason. Look at how popular shows like Dallas and Dynasty were. When did this mindless same every
week come about? It hasn't been that long ago. It appears that the PTB got scared of trying anything
different or there was a turn over at the top a decade ago and the new guys just didn't have the gumption
or guts to do anything except the sure thing.
We've always had the "reset" shows , Hawaii 5-0 , CHIPs , Magnum PI , etc .....
And we've had the episodic model as well - Buffy and Hill Street Blues for example .
It just strikes me that the extreme success of the police/medical/detective procedurals means that formula shows have taken over again .
Oh, I agree they have taken over but I'm like others, I don't understand why, since the serial shows have
been popular in the past. They are still popular on cable and even shows like the Closer and Saving Grace
have a serial vibe to them but then they don't get that big an audience. So maybe cable has grabbed that
group and the alphabet networks just play to the ADD crowd.
Phyll, take care, enjoy your vacation from the madhouses, and have a safe journey. We will miss you!
Quote from: Phyll33 on April 11, 2009, 03:34:40 PM
Oh, I agree they have taken over but I'm like others, I don't understand why, since the serial shows have
been popular in the past. They are still popular on cable and even shows like the Closer and Saving Grace
have a serial vibe to them but then they don't get that big an audience. So maybe cable has grabbed that
group and the alphabet networks just play to the ADD crowd.
I'll agree that it seems that cable channels are more amenable to serialised programmes .
I guess it's simply the number game .
Big 4 need big ratings .
The rest ?
More than happy to have critical acclaim and lesser eyeballs .
So , why do we even bother with the Big Four ?
We saw what happened to our auto industry .
Part of the reason is that serial shows are hard to pick up if you didn't watch it from the first, and you happen to miss episodes in the middle. Take Lost or Farscape. I keep meaning to get the Farscape dvds to watch from the first, but I've never gotten around to it. Plenty of people stopped watching Lost because, amongst other reasons, it was hard to keep up with. I look at my sister's family where they have a schedule built around volleyball practice/tournaments, basketball practice/games, track practice/meets, two demanding jobs, school, and hobbies. They're a family full of smart people(the kind who would dig many of our favorite shows), but they won't live as slaves to the DVR. I can't blame them. I've cut back on my tv watching myself. It may be on in the background, but there are only a few shows that I bother following religiously (especially now that Stargate and BSG are gone, and Supernatural is only set for one more season). It's amazing how much time it frees up.
As for the plethora of Law & Orders/CSIs, people are drawn to the bizarre and disturbing. Name a freaky fetish, and most of the populace picked up on it from CSI Las Vegas (most folks I know had never heard of a furry or infantilism). Also, if you don't watch a formulaic show every week? It doesn't seem so formulaic. You can drop in and not have to worry about what complicated plotline you've missed.
I gave Dollhouse a shot even though the premise did nothing for me, nor did the lead actress. It never captured me. I always think of what Keckler used to say at Television Without Pity: Demand the most from your shows. Don't let them get away with lazy just because you feel you have no other options. Breaking down and watching sub-standard sci fi/genre/etc. just teaches the industry that they can get away with only producing sub-standard sci fi/genre/etc.
This is how I described this episode:
You know that feeling, when you're getting a massage and they hit the spot and you go "Ooooooooh".
That's how I felt watching Dollhouse. It was that good.
Quote from: geogal on April 11, 2009, 05:51:11 PM
I gave Dollhouse a shot even though the premise did nuthin' for me, nor did the lead actress. It never captured me. I always think of what Keckler used to say at Television Without Pity: Demand the most from your shows. Don't let them get away with lazy just because you feel you have no other options. Breaking down and watching sub-standard sci fi/genre/etc. just teaches the industry that they can get away with only producing sub-standard sci fi/genre/etc.
Yeah , but Dollhouse is pretty spiffy now .
I do agree that Eliza wasn't the best choice for a lead , but it is her show .