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[spoiler]OK, what the frak was that? Caprica City sure looked beautiful and very Blade Runneresque at night. But you wouldn't be able to see the frakkin' stars.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]beautiful indeed... *loves neon*[/spoiler]
[spoiler]You're silly.
Re: the 12 Plotholes ~ 3 or 4 out of 12 ain't ~too~ bad...
13. Who did Six run into after walking with Baltar on Caprica during the miniseries? (About time you showed up?)[/spoiler]
[spoiler]The first hour was better than the second one. Battlestar Titanica! I was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ecstatic that Tyrol got mad. That was the most satisfying part of the whole thing, for me. (The actress seems cool, but Tory was a BITCH.) And Cavil taking the easy way out. Nice.
The second hour was as if Ronald Moore euthanized us so we really didn't give a frak what happened at the end. Basically, we're a bunch of lemmings who think too much with our brains and not with our hearts. Bullshit. Don't get him.
I liked the Adama/Roslin/Lee/Kara part. I got a little misty when Lee and Kara said goodbye to Adama. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]Amazing, simply amazing. Nine thumbs up.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]You didn't feel jipped?[/spoiler]
Hey, more talk later ~ I think I'm gonna hit the sack, too. You guys in the West enjoy. ttyt
The closer it got to the end the more I thought I was going to not like it, but something about it clicked with me right at the end. I'll have to watch it again.
Quote from: TinkTanker on March 20, 2009, 08:40:11 PM
[spoiler]Amazing, simply amazing. Nine thumbs up.[/spoiler]
We loved it .
TEN thumbs up from Mr and Mrs Admiral who aren't named Hoshi .
:D
The title of the show really should have been called, "Deus Ex Machina".
Well, I started thinking this morning:
If Galen saw that Tory killed Cally, then why didn't Tigh see Ellen frakkin' Cavil? Time constraints? Undying love conquers? Oedipussy.
The finale is what it is. It gained enough interest for me to want to watch it again -- I just re-watched parts of it on On Demand, and there are some parts that I really love. The CIC/Opera House was the best part for me. Baltar's speech had me hanging on his every word.
But if all BSG is one giant time-warp, then woohoo.
If it's 150,000 years later, then why did the map they have for repopulating the planet look like today? It wouldn't. It's Chucking convenient. The continental drift should have the NEW map by their timeline California knocking on China's door. Moore can ignore the science in science fiction all he wants, and THAT'S why I think the ending is lame -- in that respect. So says Moore!
I can also see that perhaps Moore would like a reset on humanity's existence ~ who wouldn't. We've frakked up so much. But it wouldn't mean that we're going to know the previous mistakes... Baltar and Six walked around New York City as angels, surveying the poor dumb humans in person, like GODS looking down on us from high. Humanity was destined to use both brain and heart. We were also destined to use ego, too. What BUT ego would build something as electronically spectacular like Times Square, or any large structure for that matter?
I don't know ~ the scenery was beautiful. The love stories were handled with such delicacy. Bear McCreary hit another symphony out of the park. Nice touch with the theme song.
I liked that they were in Africa, the "cradle of civilization," even if Tanzania is technically south of that.
I'm glad you guys could love it. It didn't completely suck for me -- some things were done well -- but what once was a great show for me has been gone for years now. I guess I should've had lower expectations. I forgot the cardinal rule: I'm just supposed to watch it ~ I wasn't supposed to think about it.
OTOH, not many people can claim they nailed an angel.
How many times did Baltar do that?
Actually, two angels, including Stardoe!
after not liking the past few episodes before the finale, i was ready to say good riddance...
but after the finale, i'm ready to say that i'll miss the show... :(
season 1 and 2, for sure...
and i'll very much miss Bear's score...
no more songs like "Something Dark is Coming"... that i still lovelovelove... :(
was nice to hear Adama's celtic theme one last time...
Admiral And Commander
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jH45JVdTw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jH45JVdTw#)
Something Dark is Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EQXEIoZrZE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EQXEIoZrZE#)
Did you guys notice that the guy at the newstand was Mr Moore ?
Quote from: Pearl@32 on March 21, 2009, 08:23:35 AM
If it's 150,000 years later, then why did the map they have for repopulating the planet look like today?
I liked that they were in Africa, the "cradle of civilization," even if Tanzania is technically south of that.
In 150,000 years there wouldn't be very much continental drift going on. At 10 or less centimeters a year that is less than 10 miles in 150,000 years.
And Tanzania is was probably a nod to the "Lucy" skeleton found in Tanzania in the 70's. :)
:PSA:
I thought it was a neat bit that the places they talked about putting people were near fertile crescents/cradles of civilizations. We sat around wondering which people ended up inspiring which mythologies.
Quote from: Spooky on March 21, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: Pearl@32 on March 21, 2009, 08:23:35 AM
If it's 150,000 years later, then why did the map they have for repopulating the planet look like today?
I liked that they were in Africa, the "cradle of civilization," even if Tanzania is technically south of that.
In 150,000 years there wouldn't be very much continental drift going on. At 10 or less centimeters a year that is less than 10 miles in 150,000 years.
And Tanzania is was probably a nod to the "Lucy" skeleton found in Tanzania in the 70's. :)
:PSA:
OK, you got me on the drift ~ and yeah, Hera is probably a nod to Lucy (skeletal remains found in Ethiopia, closer to the cradle), so I have to bow out of taking things so literally and see that BSG is simply an allegory for human evolution translated into the history of Earthlings, Cylons and Hybrids.
The truth is
Planet of the Apes did it better.
Quote from: geogal on March 21, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
I thought it was a neat bit that the places they talked about putting people were near fertile crescents/cradles of civilizations. We sat around wondering which people ended up inspiring which mythologies.
Can you share some theories? I'd be interested to hear them.
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on March 21, 2009, 09:02:54 AM
Did you guys notice that the guy at the newstand was Mr Moore ?
Yep. Funny.
Quote from: Consigliere5 on March 21, 2009, 08:51:44 AM
after not liking the past few episodes before the finale, i was ready to say good riddance...
but after the finale, i'm ready to say that i'll miss the show... :(
season 1 and 2, for sure...
and i'll very much miss Bear's score...
no more songs like "Something Dark is Coming"... that i still lovelovelove... :(
was nice to hear Adama's celtic theme one last thyme...
Yeah, the Celtic tones when Adama was leaving Galactica reminded me of the episode where they found the tyllium and Lee threw the lighter back to his dad. Then they were all smoking stogies.
I have to catch up with seasons 3 and 4 (when it's released). I misplaced season one...luckily I made some backups. I'd be pissed. It's my favorite.
Gonna play the links now.
Am I the only one lost? WTF happened to Starbuck? She wasn't a ghost, cause there was touching. She wasn't a Cylon, cause they'd have made that clear.
I was disappointed. Earth is not Earth, but close enough?? And the folks from the fleet are like "Adam and Eve" and we are all descended from THEM??
Head Six and Head Baltar are Angels .
I think Starbuck was more like an Avatar sent by God to lead humanity to Earth .
Moses if you like .
Pretty spiffy when you think about it .
I can't wait to watch it again .
Ah, Kara Thrace....light of God and harbinger of Death....plagued by Time Travel maybe?
She was definitely a person, a Colonial. Oracles convinced her mother of Kara's destiny early on. This destiny fits right into "there is another force at work here" that Baltar talked of the intervention of fate. Their collective "unexplained experiences" are not coincidences but fate -- fate as God/higher power/something bigger than themselves. "I'm not afraid to die" ~ "I've been drawing the eye of Jupiter since I was little."
I agree with Digby. I think she died but became an instrument of God "on loan" to help the Colonials and Colonial-sided Cylons find Earth and defeat the Cavil faction of Cylons. To Loeben she was a light of God. To the Hybrids, a harbinger of death.
The difference in time upon her reappearance/return to the fleet suggests something screwy. Time was not the same for her. She began reacting to Galactica's jumps. Her body was not the same.
Was she corporeal? Yes. (This may be a stupid correlation, but I saw it on another board last night and it's ironically funny) Was Clarence the Angel corporeal? Yes. But when the work was done, he was gone. She was gone too.
Baltar's speech. "There are things working in the background we don't understand." (will edit correct line later, FF through ep)
Still ~ The irradiated Earth she helped them to find ~ is that the same Earth but in a different time?
BALTAR: There's another force that's at work here. There always has been. It's undeniable. We've all experienced it, every one in this room has witnessed events that they can't fathom let alone explain away by rational means. Puzzles deciphered in prophecy. Dreams given to a given few. Our loved ones dead. Risen. Whether we want to call that "God" or "Gods" or some sublime inspiration or force that we can't know or understand, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's here. It exists. And our two destines are entwined in its force.
CAVIL: If that were true and that's a big if, how do I know this force has our best interests in mind? How do you know that God is on your side, doctor?
BALTAR: I don't. God's not on any one side. God's a force of nature, beyond good and evil. Good and evil -- we created those. And we'll break the cycle. The cycle of birth, death, rebirth, destruction, escape, death. Well, that's in our hands...and our hands only. Requires a leap of faith. Requires that we live in hope...not fear.
I feel like I'm always raining on parades with BSG. I used to love the show. Even though I knew it had a leftish slant to it, it at least seemed like they were exploring it to the best of their abilities (hard for me to blame them for not fully understanding the abortion issue -- that's pro-lifer's fault; not so much theirs).
I think the finale wasn't brilliant, but rather a product of lazy writing. Any-and-every issue any of us may have had with the series is now conveniently under the "it was 'God's' will" label. Tribal but fully-compatible humans on (our) Earth? God made it so. Pigeons on Caprica? 'God' made it so. Cylons and Humans procreating? 'God's' fault (with the "must love each other" caveat, of course). Colonizing Planet Iraqprica? And finding Cylon Earth for no real reason? Yup. Sure "It" had something to teach humans and cylons. And who knew that 'God' had put Bob Dylan down on Cylon Earth and resurrect him on ours? And (in the final episode) the dead pilot in the ship who had perfect aim to shoot some nukes into the Cylon colony? Guess who!
They could have at least given us the benefit of making it a Greek tragedy with gods whom care nothing for humans except their worship and as play toys. Oh, and the moral of the story is something about making babies with a race who tries to wipe yours out will bring peace ... or something.
Of course, it's a boon for Intelligent Designists.
And if you disagree with me... blame 'God'. :p
And if you disagree with me... blame 'God'
Hey what happened to this parade ?
It was all like a shiny box of puppies and sunflowers and now It's all wet ?
*shakes tiny fist*
I do think they missed an oppurtunity to have the Colonials/Cylons settle Atlantis .
( they could still have had scatterlings )
I mean the Atlantis of legend was technoligically advanced so it would have slotted into our own mythology nicely without any messy artifacts laying about .
The more I think on it the more I wish I could've pitched that to Mr Moore .
( might have even led to a new series .... "Atlantis" )
:D
In the lie detector interrogation, why was Adama asked if he was a Cylon? No one knew there were skin jobs. WTF? Just put that in for the frak of it?
Sorry about the pickiness, but this series is chock full of our history, maybe for dramatic effect, but there nonetheless. Moore and Eick deliberately made correlations of the Cylon attack to 9/11 from the get-go. Also, Eick stated in The Last Frakking Special that if it was 1995 ("and economy was prosperous") it would have been a different show altogether.
:haha:
I agree completely about Atlantis. That would make more sense than sending off all that beautiful technology into the Sun. Plus, it would have fit into a timeline for living Greek gods and Plato had written an account of Atlantis. It would have also pegged nicely into ancient Greece being the cradle of democracy ...
But then, it being SlyFy, they'd have had to have a crossover with John Sheppard leading the way ...
http://cinemablend.com/television/Why-The-Battlestar-Galactica-Finale-Is-A-Huge-Copout-And-It-Doesn-t-Matter-16337.html (http://cinemablend.com/television/Why-The-Battlestar-Galactica-Finale-Is-A-Huge-Copout-And-It-Doesn-t-Matter-16337.html)
Why The Battlestar Galactica Finale Is A Huge Cop Out And It Doesn't Matter
By Josh Tyler: 2009-03-20 21:48:20
Why The Battlestar Galactica Finale Is A Huge Cop Out And It Doesn't Matter Tonight one of the best science fiction programs in history finished its run on television and, in theory answered all the big questions which have been knocking around in our brains for four seasons. The answer? Oh it's God.
Showrunner Ron Moore finally got to douse us in his pro-god, anti-society, anti-technology philosophy. His heavy religion agenda has always sort of hung around in the series' background, as the show reveled in mysticism and unexplained weirdness. Tonight though he abandoned all pretense and used the series finale as his platform to deliver a big warning: Holy gao se the robots are coming!
Getting weirdly preachy would have been just fine, if only he'd really come up with legitimate answers to the questions that have been hanging over fans' heads for years now. Why the frak does Baltar have an imaginary friend? Answer: It's God! Why isn't Starbuck dead and what the frak is she? Answer: Oh it's God! Why did the cylons destroy the colonies? Oh it's God! How are the humans going to find a home? Oh it's God! Every remaining question was answered tonight and the answer to every question was: Oh it's God.
Look I'm alright with Ron Moore working his own superstitious religious mumbo jumbo into his show if it's going to deliver the kinds of thoughtful programming and incredibly deep, well developed characters Battlestar Galactica gave us. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is substituting random, unsupported theology for actual story closure. What I do have a problem with is reducing everything to one big, Deus ex machina. Sure theology has always been an important part of the show, but in the end it seems Moore's answer is that it's the only part of the show. We've hung around all this time, don't we deserve better answers than that?
Frak that. So we got screwed on the answer department. I'm a little disappointed and maybe you are too. I'm here to tell you that in the end, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because Battlestar Galactica's final moments will always be remembered for that brilliant, closing shot of William Adama sitting alone on a hill, promising the ghost of Laura Roslinn that he'll build her that cabin. Battlestar's final moments will be remembered as Apollo looking off into the endless sky and imagining a life of exploration and adventure. BSG's final moments will be remembered as the Galactica sailing off into the sun.
Tonight's Battlestar Galactica finale was a cop out, but it was also the perfect goodbye. Ron Moore dropped the ball on plot but as always, the show delivered where it really mattered: Characters. Ignore the superstitious mumbo jumbo. No one is going to remember all the awful stock footage of robots or the ridiculous, anti-technology plot device in which the entire fleet decides for no particular reason to abandon all technology and start using spears. Scratch that, they had a reason. Their souls weren't ready for science. Funny no one mentioned that notion until five minutes before the credits. Frak all of that. We'll remember the people, their faces, and the lives they've touched. Goodbye Battlestar Galactica. I don't care about the answers, you've been a good ship.
In the lie detector interrogation, why was Adama asked if he was a Cylon? No one knew there were skin jobs. WTF? Just put that in for the frak of it?
That made me swear at the tv .
>:(
Quote from: Eric on March 21, 2009, 12:31:22 PM
:haha:
I agree completely about Atlantis. That would make more sense than sending off all that beautiful technology into the Sun. Plus, it would have fit into a timeline for living Greek gods and Plato had written an account of Atlantis. It would have also pegged nicely into ancient Greece being the cradle of democracy ...
But then, it being SlyFy, they'd have had to have a crossover with John Sheppard leading the way ...
Yeah dumping all the tech made no sense at all .
I still enjoyed it .
Good ride .
( when it wasn't driving one to suicide , anyways )
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on March 21, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
In the lie detector interrogation, why was Adama asked if he was a Cylon? No one knew there were skin jobs. WTF? Just put that in for the frak of it?
That made me swear at the tv .
>:(
:loloeo:
This would have been a trip if we had all watched it together!
Quote from: Pearl@32 on March 21, 2009, 12:41:11 PM
http://cinemablend.com/television/Why-The-Battlestar-Galactica-Finale-Is-A-Huge-Copout-And-It-Doesn-t-Matter-16337.html (http://cinemablend.com/television/Why-The-Battlestar-Galactica-Finale-Is-A-Huge-Copout-And-It-Doesn-t-Matter-16337.html)
Why The Battlestar Galactica Finale Is A Huge Cop Out And It Doesn't Matter
By Josh Tyler: 2009-03-20 21:48:20
I swear I didn't read this before posting earlier! I swear!
'God' must have made me channel him... or something. :loloeo:
Quote from: Eric on March 21, 2009, 02:07:36 PM
I swear I didn't read this before posting earlier! I swear!
'God' must have made me channel him... or something. :loloeo:
:D
Well, one good thing comes out of this: we don't cut off the corners of everything anymore. (It's more expensive anyway.)
But maybe it is a little warning in disguise ~ "Don't cut corners" ?
/need help, been reading the scifi forum Daybreak Pt. 2 thread too long
This would have been a trip if we had all watched it together!
Too be fair , it doesn't take much to elicit my potty mouth .
:D
Mine either! :drink:
Quote from: Pearl@32 on March 21, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Mine either! :drink:
:drink:
Waiting for Supernatural and Dollhouse to finish downloading.
Farking slowloads !
;)
Battlestar Galactica Finale draws 2.4 million
Posted on 21 March 2009 by Robert Seidman
SciFi ordered up a special overnight for the finale of Battlestar Galactica and James Hibberd says the two hour and eleven minute finale averaged 2.4 million viewers and was the most watched episode since its season 2.5 premiere.
Quote from: Pearl@32 on March 21, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
Ah, Kara Thrace....light of God and harbinger of Death....plagued by thyme Travel maybe?
She was definitely a person, a Colonial. ...I agree with Digby. I think she died but became an instrument of God "on loan" to help the Colonials and Colonial-sided Cylons find Earth and defeat the Cavil faction of Cylons. To Loeben she was a light of God. To the Hybrids, a harbinger of death.
Kinda like Cordelia in the last season of Angel...
Kinda like Cordelia in the last season of Angel...
I miss Cordelia
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