Welcome to the fantastic American Idle (Idol) thread!
Tuesday April 15th
AKA
Mariah Carey's "Pimp My CD" Episode
I didn't get to see all of it, but Carly can sit down to refrain from singing "Without You." Carly has NOTHING on Kelly Clarkson, Season One.
Carly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXK5R8LoKd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXK5R8LoKd0)
Kelly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gkcj6vcWZc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gkcj6vcWZc)
I enjoyed David Cook's performance, of course; I don't know what the judges were hearing with the other David and Dreadlock Boy Jason though. Syesha pulled it off as much as I could tell in the recap, but she'll be leaving. Brooke was ok, and I think Kristy Lee has solidified her future on CMT, for sure.
If Cook doesn't win, and it's about time a rocker won, I *will* say those famous last words.
"I'm never watching again!"
PS. I think Carly looks like Boy George's sister.
DREADLOCK BOY, YOU'RE SAFE AGAIN! :wall:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Jjportrait.jpg)
Oh, say it isn't so......my favorite Idol contestant has had albums out as well! :'(
David Cook
This Oklahoma-native had two albums with the rock band Axium under his belt before he headed to Omaha to audition for Idol. Here's a video of the band's performance. Last year, David released his first solo album, "Analog Heart."
(http://redlightnaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/david-cook.jpg)
I hereby give American Idle the official "Jump the Shark" award.
(http://www.theculturebeat.com/wp-content/photos/shark.gif)
OK, I admit it, it is a sham like everything else.
http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=5632 (http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=5632)
What the HELL happened to Paula Abdul?!
She USED to be a dancin' force of nature!
Now she's an accident always happening!
Paula, cut down on the drugs, baby.
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 07:48:17 AM
DREADLOCK BOY, YOU'RE SAFE AGAIN! :wall:
:D
*joins in the head bashing*
And another one of my favorites:
Brooke White
Brooke is another contestant with an album already under her belt. She released her debut album "Songs from the Attic," in 2005 on the New Millennium Records Group label.
(http://redlightnaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/brooke-white.jpg)
American Idol will lose its popularity, it's jsut a question of when.
To E: You were right.
I'm :-[
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 08:48:04 AM
To E: You were right.
I'm :-[
Finally I'm right about something!
BTW, of what are we speaking? :-*
>Brooke White<
She's got an awesome smile!
Oh... and the kid... David Achisomething...? Anyway, when I first heard his voice I was like WOW! Is it me or does it seem boring and always the same now?
I've seen exactly one episode of AI. Well, I downloaded one and zipped through the boring stuff, which was most of it. I had to watch the Andrew Lloyd Webber song night.
Lots of people that can really butcher show tunes, you betcha.
Quote from: Spooky on May 01, 2008, 09:29:34 AM
>Brooke White<
She's got an awesome smile!
She's like Carly Simon/Cate Blanchett. Very pretty.
Quote from: Spooky on May 01, 2008, 09:32:03 AM
Oh... and the kid... David Achisomething...? Anyway, when I first heard his voice I was like WOW! Is it me or does it seem boring and always the same now?
Archie might still be a bit young. He's got a nice tone to his voice, but yeah, he sounds the same.
His voice reminds me of Elliott Yamin's, but Elliott has a much better stage presence. I'd hire Elliott for the wedding, if I had the money. Him, Joss Stone and Squirrel Nut Zippers. ;)
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 09:58:15 AM
Joss Stone
I get all goosepimply when I hear her voice. ETA... in a good way! 8)
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 09:56:33 AM
She's like Carly Simon/Cate Blanchett. Very pretty.
She was on Fox-n-Friends this AM and Carly Simon called up to giver Brooke her support. They gushed upon each other.
gush they sure did!
Quote from: TinkTanker on May 01, 2008, 09:36:15 AM
I've seen exactly one episode of AI. Well, I downloaded one and zipped through the boring stuff, which was most of it. I had to watch the Andrew Lloyd Webber song night.
Lots of people that can really butcher show tunes, you betcha.
I think that was the hardest night (although Neil Diamond week was pretty brutal), and Carly shouldn't have been sent home that week. Jason's "Memory" version was not up to par.
David Cook could have stepped up "Music of the Night" just a tad and it would have been as incredible as his "Hello" or "Eleanor Rigby" performance.
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 09:58:15 AM
I'd hire Elliott for the wedding, if I had the money. Him, Joss Stone and Squirrel Nut Zippers. ;)
And Bob Seger for Eric. :D
Quote from: Spooky on May 01, 2008, 09:59:50 AM
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 09:58:15 AM
Joss Stone
I get all goosepimply when I hear her voice. ETA... in a good way! 8)
I just bought two of her CD's last year after hearing her at the Princess Diana concert. The girl's got soul. O0
I don't watch this, just catch the songs on You tube but how the devil has Jason continued to stay on all this
time and other people have been kicked off. Kristy had a much better voice than Brooke and she went. I don't
understand the judging and how these people are selected because it sure doesn't seem like it is for their talent.
The gal that sounded like a Janis Joplin clone was great although admittedly her range was limited. David A.,
pretty voice but sounds like a kid. David Cook should win this with the competition that is left but not sure he
was the best from ones that went.
Is there a vid of him with the band he was in from OK? That group sounds awfully familiar to me, my daughter
might know them.
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 10:02:36 AM
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 01, 2008, 09:58:15 AM
I'd hire Elliott for the wedding, if I had the money. Him, Joss Stone and Squirrel Nut Zippers. ;)
And Bob Seger for Eric. :D
We're so going to Katmandu.
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 01, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
I don't watch this, just catch the songs on You tube but how the devil has Jason continued to stay on all this
thyme and other people have been kicked off. Kristy had a much better voice than Brooke and she went. I don't
understand the judging and how these people are selected because it sure doesn't seem like it is for their talent.
The gal that sounded like a Janis Joplin clone was great although admittedly her range was limited. David A.,
pretty voice but sounds like a kid. David Cook should win this with the competition that is left but not sure he
was the best from ones that went.
Is there a vid of him with the band he was in from OK? That group sounds awfully familiar to me, my daughter
might know them.
Midwest Kings?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg5WYLYF1SI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg5WYLYF1SI)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2MqnpUo3HJE
Neil Diamond
Was there a show on tonight?
:zzz:
Best performances: Archie! for "Love Me Tender," and Syesha for "A Change is Gonna Come"
I was so excited to hear Cook was singing "Baba O'Riley," but it wasn't as good. Maybe because how can you not have the winning slot machine sounds??? And how can you pare it down to under 2 minutes?!
It was a weird night. I think they're all tired or something.
Bumpage.
Archuleta deserves to win; his performances were solid last night.
But Dial Idol has Cook in the lead, so who the hell knows.
All in all, the head-to-head week is pretty lame. I can't really remember any.
The finales can be good, depending on the guests. So with ZZ Top this year, it should be interesting.
:deadhorse:
I really like Cook and think he is the most versatile. They are both so different and really this could be a tie
since they are both great.
This the first year I haven't paid much attention to AI. I think I've only watched 2-3 shows. So it's the rocker who doesn't really look like a rocker and the goofy kid with the creepy voice in the finale? :loloeo:
Quote from: Spooky on May 21, 2008, 09:32:26 AM
This the first year I haven't paid much attention to AI. I think I've only watched 2-3 shows. So it's the rocker who doesn't really look like a rocker and the goofy kid with the creepy voice in the finale? :loloeo:
Actually Cook had a makeover from the start of the show and does look like a rocker but I'm more impressed
with him when he goes out of rocker mode and sings songs from Roberta Flack and Andrew Loyd Webber. I
thought his Neil Diamond song "I'm Alive" was great. He sounded like a young Neil Diamond. David A. has
one of those choir boy voices that may not age well and is limited to certain songs although those songs he
does sing sound spectacular.
woohoo... Seal!
We've started drinking beers!
Cook was totally channeling Diamond, it was pretty dead on!
This is almost the gayest show ever, but I think it's a toss-up between Queer Eye and Dancing With the Stars.
I see Seal but no ZZ??????? :beer:
ZZ!
I played my cassette copy of Afterburner a Lot.
C5: I am so glad you changed your avi. For some reason the crazy heart-takin' man from Temple of Doom is soothing.
:D
if Mola Ram can't cure what ails ya, nothing can...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxHuK0QndAY
woohoo! Jonas Brothers appearance! *drink*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHVzaf3FtM
The One Republic performance was cool.
They really need to rename this show "American Pimp."
Hey Jack! I was already going to Kung Fu Panda and Robert of course we saw Iron Man!
how sad that because of Owen Wilson's problems, he had to drop out of that movie... :(
I guess Idol has disowned Kelly Clarkson. Oh well I hope she kicks more butt on her next project.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no1BJy58JxU
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 21, 2008, 06:42:52 PM
Oh well I hope she kicks more butt on her next project.
indeed!
Quote from: Consigliere5 on May 21, 2008, 06:39:27 PM
how sad that because of Owen Wilson's problems, he had to drop out of that movie... :(
Hope he gets back on his feet.
(no, the George Michael song is not bringing me down at all; love that cd Listen Without Prejudice)
You knew whoever was gonna win was gonna cry like a baby.
Can't believe he pulled it off.
He's so sensitive! And so is his bro!
I'm so glad Cook won. I don't watch this but do listen to the You tube vids and some of his songs were just
wonderful. Especially the studio versions where you can hear the full song. He was by far the most versatile
and it didn't hurt he was an OK boy either. :)
He improved with every performance when he started singing out of his comfort zone. It was a good choice.
I'd have to say my favorite performances of his were:
"Eleanor Rigby"
"Day Tripper"
"Hello"
"Always Be My baby"
"All I Ever Really Need is You"
I like the performances more than the studio songs. There's more of an edge to the performances. Although I must say his voice is VERY good on his cover of "Billie Jean," even better than the Chris Cornell version he was emulating. And supposedly there are no orchestral strings in the background of the studio version of "Always Be My Baby" -- I'll take 2 minutes of Cook and strings any day.
I thought Archuleta sang better on Tuesday, but I think they were neck and neck for performance throughout the season. They both had great nights and bad nights.
I was psyched to find out George Michael is touring. Thought he was quitting. No one ever quits these days, not even when they're dead!
And I give Carly her props...she wasn't a favorite at all, but she was one of the more exciting singers in the group numbers. Castro took her spot Andrew Lloyd Webber night. :wall:
We'll see what happens. Hope Cook can compromise...those Idol devils are pretty controlling. His 2006 debut was pretty dang good, and I would love for him to re-record something from there.
The voting books were Cooked!
photos of Summer Glau at the finale:
http://sarahconnorsociety.com/photogallery/index.php?cat=148
Quote from: Pearl@32 on May 22, 2008, 08:21:49 PM
I'd have to say my favorite performances of his were:
"Eleanor Rigby"
"Day Tripper"
"Hello"
"Always Be My baby"
"All I Ever Really Need is You"
I like the performances more than the studio songs. There's more of an edge to the performances. Although I must say his voice is VERY good on his cover of "Billie Jean," even better than the Chris Cornell version he was emulating. And supposedly there are no orchestral strings in the background of the studio version of "Always Be My Baby" -- I'll take 2 minutes of Cook and strings any day.
I thought Archuleta sang better on Tuesday, but I think they were neck and neck for performance throughout the season. They both had great nights and bad nights.
I was psyched to find out George Michael is touring. Thought he was quitting. No one ever quits these days, not even when they're dead!
And I give Carly her props...she wasn't a favorite at all, but she was one of the more exciting singers in the group numbers. Castro took her spot Andrew Lloyd Webber night. :wall:
We'll see what happens. Hope Cook can compromise...those Idol devils are pretty controlling. His 2006 debut was pretty dang good, and I would love for him to re-record something from there.
I liked his final numbers especially "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For". I would loved to have heard
a full version "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face". It sounded like he would have really done something special
with that. His voice is a throwback to the rockers of old that could sing and weren't drowned out by the instruments.
Probably why he had a lot of older women voting for him, his voice brought back memories and it certainly didn't
hurt to see the makeover he had. His voice got better each week and so did his looks. :laugh:
I didn't watch the show I just watched the You Tube vids and I think I was able to see what Simon missed
during the show and did a backtrack on when he reviewed the tapes from the finals. He apologized to David
for his lack of respect and I think when he reviewed the tapes he saw the stage presence coming through
from Cook as well as his voice. David A just didn't have that when you see and hear the vids. I kept wondering
why they said David A won the night when I was seeing Cook just melt the audience. I think he saw that
finally on the tapes and realized it wasn't exactly as they called it on Tues. night.
His songs are the first ones of any of these idols that I like to listen to. I hope he does well, he seems very
genuine. :)
Durn non (Missouri) natives.
Wiki says he was born in Houston, TX and raised in Misery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cook_(singer)
Hmmm, I know I wasn't seeing things. I knew he was presently living in Missouri but somewhere I read
he was originally from OK. Oh well, doesn't matter he's still from my old stomping grounds part of the country.
A lot of good musicians out that way.
Okay, I found where I heard he was from Tulsa. On one of his audition tapes he says himself that he is
from Tulsa, OK. I remember him saying he was making a recording there so I guess that is where he
was living when he auditioned.
Thank goodness, I thought I was hearing things. :laugh:
LOL Silly.
Well, Wiki has never been known for its factualness.
No, he is from Missouri and went to college there but evidently was living in Tulsa at the time of the
auditions and doing the music scene there. Nice kid. I've been reading some of the interviews he's been
doing and saw the Jay Leno interview and he is really poised on camera. Very much a natural. I hope he
does well. :)
He was Pearl's favorite too. I don't think from the very beginning... I think the Aussie guy had that early on. But she had picked Cook about midway.
I could be mistaken, but that was my take on her picks. I didn't really pay much attention to AI.
I never watched the show just got interested when people were talking about the contestants. I clicked on
You Tube to listen to some of them and did a Whoa! when I heard Cook. As I said before he definitely has
that rocker of old voice which is very appealing and his makeover through out the show turned him from a
kind of squirrely nerdy looking guy into a hunk. He definitely started getting the old broad vote after that. :laugh:
It's nice to see someone that talented win. I'm sure there are a lot of musicians out there struggling along
just because they can't get the exposure. He's paid his dues in that arena and it's good to see it being rewarded.
What a nice story to go along with it too. Going there to support his brother and his other heartbreaking story
with his other brother having brain cancer. Sounds right out of central casting.
the Aussie guy was by far my favorite on the premiere episode... but after that, he didn't seem the same... so from then on, i was rooting for David Cook and Kristy Lee Cook...
Was he the one that was just diagnosed with cancer? I thought Kristy was really good from listening to her
videos. I think she was much better than the girls that were left to go farther. I don't know why the judges
especially Simon always gave her a hard time and I can't imagine who was voting that would have left White
and canned her. The voting seems to have problems because Jason should have gone eons ago but the right
person did end up winning even though the last six or so except for the 2 Davids were not the best they had.
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 24, 2008, 08:49:10 AM
I never watched the show just got interested when people were talking about the contestants. I clicked on
You Tube to listen to some of them and did a Whoa! when I heard Cook.
You are a total You Tube addict! :P
Did you search for his take on "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"? GREAT control of lower register and the ending was just as fantastic as "The Music of the Night."
I have all his performances, some of the studio versions, and one track from Analog Heart.
/whoring AI Mp3's since season 4
Now I took a YouTube pit stop watching Leona Lewis ~ I didn't know she was the winner of a talent show with "That was brilliant" Cowell called The X Factor in the UK. I knew Simon helped her with her album, I just didn't know she was off one of those shows. That "Bleeding Love" song of hers is one of the best songs of the year.
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 24, 2008, 09:59:20 AM
Was he the one that was just diagnosed with cancer? I thought Kristy was really good from listening to her
videos. I think she was much better than the girls that were left to go farther. I don't know why the judges
especially Simon always gave her a hard thyme and I can't imagine who was voting that would have left White
and canned her. The voting seems to have problems because Jason should have gone eons ago but the right
person did end up winning even though the last six or so except for the 2 Davids were not the best they had.
Luke Mennard, eliminated Top 20, I think. I liked him but he blew it choosing Wham's "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go." He kinda reminded me of Orlando Bloom.
I really enjoyed Kristy Lee's voice. She sang the heck out of "God Bless the USA" and her version of "Faithfully" was GREAT.
I was an early fan of Brooke's. I loved her acoustic version of "Love is a Battlefield" and her version of "Let It Be."
As much as I didn't like Carly, she did NOT deserve to go home Andrew Lloyd Webber night. Her version of "Jesus Christ Superstar" was my
only favorite of hers. Jason's rendition of "Memory" was soooooooo painful. :lala: He should have gone that night. We should have had David A, David C, and Syesha or Carly in the Top 3 (or 4). But you can't underestimate those speed dialers. This was the season that I voted the LEAST, and voted maybe 50-100 times total for season 6. I think I voted maybe 40 times total this year. I'm bored with voting.
Quote from: Pearl@32 on June 04, 2008, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 24, 2008, 08:49:10 AM
I never watched the show just got interested when people were talking about the contestants. I clicked on
You Tube to listen to some of them and did a Whoa! when I heard Cook.
You are a total You Tube addict! :P
Did you search for his take on "First thyme Ever I Saw Your Face"? GREAT control of lower register and the ending was just as fantastic as "The Music of the Night."
I have all his performances, some of the studio versions, and one track from Analog Heart.
/whoring AI Mp3's since season 4
Now I took a YouTube pit stop watching Leona Lewis ~ I didn't know she was the winner of a talent show with "That was brilliant" Cowell called The X Factor in the UK. I knew Simon helped her with her album, I just didn't know she was off one of those shows. That "Bleeding Love" song of hers is one of the best songs of the year.
Shows like Idol I just can't sit through. They make me very uncomfortable watching them. Listening to the
songs on You Tube was as close as I could get. :laugh:
I loved "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face". It just wasn't long enough. I wish he had been able to sing more of
it. Simon nailed that one for his voice which I'm wondering if he thought he really could sing it or was trying to
throw him a zinger. Cook was definitely Paula's and Simon's first choice but I think they both thought the teeny
boppers would flood the lines and pull Archie through. Cook definitely makes a good idol. He's cute and wonderful
versatile singer with a broad based appeal and he does a really good interview. He's not cowed by celebrities and
comes across very poised and smart. Good choice and an all around nice guy. :)
Quote from: Pearl@32 on June 04, 2008, 08:02:36 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 24, 2008, 09:59:20 AM
Was he the one that was just diagnosed with cancer? I thought Kristy was really good from listening to her
videos. I think she was much better than the girls that were left to go farther. I don't know why the judges
especially Simon always gave her a hard thyme and I can't imagine who was voting that would have left White
and canned her. The voting seems to have problems because Jason should have gone eons ago but the right
person did end up winning even though the last six or so except for the 2 Davids were not the best they had.
Luke Mennard, eliminated Top 20, I think. I liked him but he blew it choosing Wham's "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go." He kinda reminded me of Orlando Bloom.
I really enjoyed Kristy Lee's voice. She sang the heck out of "God Bless the USA" and her version of "Faithfully" was GREAT.
I was an early fan of Brooke's. I loved her acoustic version of "Love is a Battlefield" and her version of "Let It Be."
As much as I didn't like Carly, she did NOT deserve to go home Andrew Lloyd Webber night. Her version of "Jesus Christ Superstar" was my only favorite of hers. Jason's rendition of "Memory" was soooooooo painful. :lala: He should have gone that night. We should have had David A, David C, and Syesha or Carly in the Top 3 (or 4). But you can't underestimate those speed dialers. This was the season that I voted the LEAST, and voted maybe 50-100 times total for season 6. I think I voted maybe 40 times total this year. I'm bored with voting.
I'll have to go back and listen to some of Carly's songs. I'm wondering if the reason Carly and Micheal Johns
were kicked off early was because they weren't Americans. It is American Idol after all and the callers may
have been trying to broadcast that. Brooke goofed up too much and was very unsure of herself. Kristy had
the right personality and I thought voice to go farther she just seemed to run afoul of Simon and the callers
didn't seem to want another country singer to win.
The right guy won so it all worked out in the end. :)
Quote from: Phyll33 on June 05, 2008, 07:32:08 AM
I loved "First thyme Ever I Saw Your Face". It just wasn't long enough. I wish he had been able to sing more of
it. Simon nailed that one for his voice which I'm wondering if he thought he really could sing it or was trying to
throw him a zinger. Cook was definitely Paula's and Simon's first choice but I think they both thought the teeny
boppers would flood the lines and pull Archie through. Cook definitely makes a good idol. He's cute and wonderful
versatile singer with a broad based appeal and he does a really good interview. He's not cowed by celebrities and
comes across very poised and smart. Good choice and an all around nice guy. :)
And I think they let record a different song for the studio tracks they had on iTunes.
They were all on Larry King Live last week, and Cook's composure was calm, cool, and collected. He really does a good interview!
Quote from: Phyll33 on June 05, 2008, 07:37:46 AM
I'll have to go back and listen to some of Carly's songs. I'm wondering if the reason Carly and Micheal Johns
were kicked off early was because they weren't Americans. It is American Idol after all and the callers may
have been trying to broadcast that.
Technically they're both citizens, but it does seem weird and then maybe not so much. Could be!
Dammit Spooky, we were winding this talk down, ya didn't need to start a new thread~! Thanks anyway!
:happy:
Quote from: Pearl@32 on June 05, 2008, 07:31:58 PM
Dammit Spooky, we were winding this talk down, ya didn't need to start a new thread~! Thanks anyway!
:happy:
You know you'll be jonesing for an AI discussion this summer. ;)
American Idol judge Nicki Minaj today says it's "racist" of Steven Tyler (http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/nicki-minaj-calls-steven-tyler-slam-of-current-crop-of-american-idol-judges-racist/) to predict that she'd probably send Bob Dylan back to "the cornfield" if he appeared as a contestant on the Fox show.
Boy they can really pick em for judges can't they. This is going to happen over and over every where now
that Obama has a second term. Blacks with chips on their shoulders are going to mouth off anyway they can
with "white hate".
Our culture had evolved with inclusion for all and things were improving or so I thought. Guess those black
activists just couldn't stand people getting along. Remember the Cosby Show, and the Jeffersons, Redd Fox,
The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and "Whatcha talkin about Willis" from that adorable family show with the mixed
race children. Long gone and nothing replaced them and people like Jackson and Sharpton and even worse
now are starting their crap all over again with an administration that has set back race relations for decades.
Our country was doing better two decades ago than we are now. People got along better and crime was lower
and then the Dems got in office with Clinton and the bottom started dropping out and this administration let
it cave in completely.
Steven Tyler's an "old white guy", as kids nowadays like to say. It doesn't matter that his Aerosmith [noembed]pretty much introduced (http://youtu.be/4B_UYYPb-Gk)[/noembed] White America to "Hip-Hop" music.
I realize repercussions of slavery and Jim Crow racism are far-and-deep and will take time to heal, but like you I really feel we're going in the wrong direction.
They will never heal as long as one group continues to play the race and victim card. There will always be
bigots, they will never go away. The black community needs get past that and play to their strengths and
start the healing from within. They want respect and many have it but respect is earned not given freely
to one and all. When the black community starts helping themselves instead of expecting others to do that
for them is when they get respect. They let their families fall apart and gangs take over and crime become
the name of the game in their neighborhoods and it is only they that can put it back together again. When
they start respecting themselves instead of demanding it from others, that is when the tide will turn.
I do not see this kind of "you owe me" mentality with every black person, but it doesn't stop blacks from embracing blonde hair (Minaj, Beyonce, etc.). Aren't they trying to be white?
Quote from: Pearl@32 on November 27, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
I do not see this kind of "you owe me" mentality with every black person, but it doesn't stop blacks from embracing blonde hair (Minaj, Beyonce, etc.). Aren't they trying to be white?
I should have qualified that because I don't see it in all black people either but those are the ones that respect
themselves. Those are the ones that have made a good life for themselves and believe me when I say those that
want to are very driven. BUT there is a great divide between one group and another. The inner city Obama voters
and the black population that have made it who still votes for Obama have different goals but those that have made
it is where we get some of our crossover voting. The breakdown of the family is where the black population has
gone awry. All of my black friends in the military and in VA and DC that were doing well came from strong families
or strong women in their families that pushed them to be something. Those strong women have died off and you
are left especially in the inner city with the ones that used to leave their children with the strong woman.
As far as the mimicking of white traits I've never figured out that one since it is contradicting their black pride
mentality but again shows lack of respect for themselves and their look.
Quote from: Phyll33 on November 28, 2012, 07:31:58 AM
Quote from: Pearl@32 on November 27, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
I do not see this kind of "you owe me" mentality with every black person, but it doesn't stop blacks from embracing blonde hair (Minaj, Beyonce, etc.). Aren't they trying to be white?
I should have qualified that because I don't see it in all black people either but those are the ones that respect
themselves. Those are the ones that have made a good life for themselves and believe me when I say those that
want to are very driven. BUT there is a great divide between one group and another. The inner city Obama voters
and the black population that have made it who still votes for Obama have different goals but those that have made
it is where we get some of our crossover voting. The breakdown of the family is where the black population has
gone awry. All of my black friends in the military and in VA and DC that were doing well came from strong families
or strong women in their families that pushed them to be something. Those strong women have died off and you
are left especially in the inner city with the ones that used to leave their children with the strong woman.
As far as the mimicking of white traits I've never figured out that one since it is contradicting their black pride
mentality but again shows lack of respect for themselves and their look.
Don't worry about qualifying it ~ I've just witnessed it first-hand when I was dating a black guy and working with a black woman. It's strange how sometimes the bigotry is kept to themselves, then sometimes rears its ugly head. Like how my co-worker was commissioned to make a t-shirt design for one of her friends about "I want my 40 acres." My ex and I went to a "black" club in D.C. and he told me before we went in not to hold his hand. We had been dating for almost 5 years. Pity he got mad when another guy hit on me. It was one of the crappiest nights of my life. I thank him though for getting me ready for my current relationship.
I know they like(d) me and all, but it just seems weird, like white people are ok to date but we're not ok in the grand scheme of things.
The unfortunate thing is now you're racist for saying
anything, when — looking back on my ex's group of friends — there was a lot of prejudice among group members and everyone except him was white. It seems prejudice is just something humans stupidly do.
<<It seems prejudice is just something humans stupidly do.>>
It will always be there for some so the playing of the race card will never end. Blacks know this and those
that want to keep that hate alive will always play it because they know they can. Whites have to get over
the guilt and quit being offended when it is played, that is the only way we can all get past it. As long as
we let being called a racist hit a nerve then the black activists will play it for all it's worth.
I've lived in a very integrated society most of my life. Many minority friends but we were all playing on
the same relatively level field of do the work and get rewarded. The military is about as good as it will
get with the races and still there were issues that crop up. Mainly with the minorities when they get in
a position of control. White officers were very conscious of mixing up their people, be it aides, company
commanders, battalion commanders, secretaries, ceremonial flag carriers, sergeants etc. There were
a good number of minorities in their commands. Black officers, not all but many, had a tendency to pull
in mostly blacks and have a token white. People you were friends with and thought you knew fell into
their old prejudices when they had the power. It was disconcerting and uncomfortable and obvious and
immensely sad. It seemed to me that no matter how much whites try and get along or as in my case
just get along because I thought of these people as friends, it will never be enough. I don't know if
that will ever be overcome with the black community but I do know whites have passed being the problem.
Instead of whites being the problem we are now reacting to the problem of black hate towards us no matter
how subtle.
Nicki Minaj is weird... very, very weird.