This ep had a jump the shark feel to it.I don't know??? Maybe not. *sigh*
I hate season finales. They always seem to think they have to make these over the top endings that remove
favorite characters and call that exciting. What it does to me is turn me off. They are going to kill someone
off in NCIS tonight too again! Why do TPTB think this is a winning proposition? Two shows I love and they
will probably be ruined. I've just about lost everything I enjoyed watching this season and now it looks like
two sure things may be down the tubes. Endings like Bones just make me feel like I have been suckered
for 3 years. Why do writers like to make fools out of their viewers? It looks like some of the writers decided
to come back and destroy a few shows.
There are those who praise Joss and his ilk for killing off characters because that keeps things real or keeps us on our toes or gives us what we need. Then there are those of us who see character deaths as cheap stunts that serve mostly to piss off the fans.
Quote from: TinkTanker on May 20, 2008, 08:39:52 AM
There are those who praise Joss and his ilk for killing off characters because that keeps things real or keeps us on our toes or gives us what we need. Then there are those of us who see character deaths as cheap stunts that serve mostly to piss off the fans.
Life is hard enough as it is without beating us over the head with it. I like to sit down and be entertained
without the drama of my favorite characters being destroyed just for a cheap thrill ending. I find that very
sadistic. I can see these guys sitting up there laughing their heads off and saying "Boy are they going to
be pissed off with that ending". To me it is all about control and I have the power to do anything I want
with this so take it or leave it.
Joss is getting to be a one note wonder for me. Firefly took him out of that a little bit but then he resorted
to same ole same ole with River. Dollhouse doesn't look much different with another wonder girl scenario.
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 20, 2008, 08:35:03 AM
Endings like Bones just make me feel like I have been suckered for 3 years. Why do writers like to make fools out of their viewers?
It looks like some of the writers decided to come back and destroy a few shows.
I still don't know how I feel about what happened on Bones last night. The whole fake death thing at the beginning felt like unnecessary to the episode and to the whole series. From then on the whole episode felt sloppy and rushed. I don't mind the whole twist with Zack, but it would have been nice if it had made a bit more sense? ???
Quote from: TinkTanker on May 20, 2008, 08:39:52 AM
There are those who praise Joss and his ilk for killing off characters because that keeps things real or keeps us on our toes or gives us what we need. Then there are those of us who see character deaths as cheap stunts that serve mostly to piss off the fans.
I'm in the "keeps things real or keeps us on our toes or gives us what we need" camp, but the Zack thing was too "Deus ex machina" for me. I enjoyed the whole Gormagone arc and was hoping for a more satisfying ending to it. Supposedly Zack had been involved with the sick cannibal dude for only three months. Why not make it a year or so and play it out for another season. Build a little more intrigue and mystery into the story arc. Maybe have it all tie in to Jack's conspiracy theories a little more? ???
Quote from: Spooky on May 20, 2008, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 20, 2008, 08:35:03 AM
Endings like Bones just make me feel like I have been suckered for 3 years. Why do writers like to make fools out of their viewers?
It looks like some of the writers decided to come back and destroy a few shows.
I still don't know how I feel about what happened on Bones last night. The whole fake death thing at the beginning felt like unnecessary to the episode and to the whole series. From then on the whole episode felt sloppy and rushed. I don't mind the whole twist with Zack, but it would have been nice if it had made a bit more sense? ???
The message board at the Bones site are all saying the same thing. Nothing made sense and the episode was
a disaster. Eric came on and said he knew about this several months ago and it wasn't his idea to leave and I
didn't get the feeling he was happy about it. Why did they think they could replace him with that squirrely
psychiatrist who always looks like he's wearing lipstick. That is the feeling I get, they replaced one for the other.
I *LOATHE* Sweets. I'm probably going to let this one slide on by next year.
Quote from: Phyll33 on May 20, 2008, 10:40:09 AM
Why did they think they could replace him with that squirrely
psychiatrist who always looks like he's wearing lipstick.
:rofl:
Quote from: TinkTanker on May 20, 2008, 10:43:53 AM
I *LOATHE* Sweets. I'm probably going to let this one slide on by next year.
Not a big fan either. Booth and Bones are too smart to have some "freesoup" hanging around all the time and telling them what they are thinking.
So, there are some on the Bones board that believe the ep was a Booth dream. I have doubts, but some of the points make sense... the number of "out of character" moments, nonsensical tech/science speak, how easily suspicion shifted from Hodgins to Sweets, then to Zack (why would they accept that any of them were the killer so easily?), the whole Booth in the tub scene and Bones saying she found Booth's key under a rock by his front door when he lives in an apartment... And then there is the Eric Millegan post... yes he says he will not be a series regular anymore, but it could all be ruse to get fans to think he's not coming back?
Quote from: Spooky on May 20, 2008, 11:57:23 AM
So, there are some on the Bones board that believe the ep was a Booth dream. I have doubts, but some of the points make sense... the number of "out of character" moments, nonsensical tech/science speak, how easily suspicion shifted from Hodgins to Sweets, then to Zack (why would they accept that any of them were the killer so easily?), the whole Booth in the tub scene and Bones saying she found Booth's key under a rock by his front door when he lives in an apartment... And then there is the Eric Millegan post... yes he says he will not be a series regular anymore, but it could all be ruse to get fans to think he's not coming back?
One can hope but for some reason I think this was a screwup episode from writers that weren't in their
groove because of the strike. Some speculated this was supposed to be a 2 hour finale and they had to fit
it into one. As much as I hate these dream type episodes I kind of hope this was one.
Quote from: Spooky on May 20, 2008, 11:57:23 AM
So, there are some on the Bones board that believe the ep was a Booth dream. I have doubts, but some of the points make sense... the number of "out of character" moments, nonsensical tech/science speak, how easily suspicion shifted from Hodgins to Sweets, then to Zack (why would they accept that any of them were the killer so easily?), the whole Booth in the tub scene and Bones saying she found Booth's key under a rock by his front door when he lives in an apartment... And then there is the Eric Millegan post... yes he says he will not be a series regular anymore, but it could all be ruse to get fans to think he's not coming back?
Good call. Hmmmm....
I was just on the Bones board and wanted to scream. It is just like those in entertainment and
some of their gullible audience to buy into Zack having PTSD coming back from Iraq. Yep, everyone
that goes off to war and comes home has to have been traumatized by it all. No one can ever be
strong enough to overcome the horrors. A therapist must be your first line of defense. :wall:
I'm sure every soldier that has ever served this country will be enlightened to know that they have
to have some mental condition in order to have survived fighting in a war. Blah!!
I thought it was odd that they had Zack's character leave to go off to the war, only to come back right away with a flimsy story about 'not fitting in'.
I wondered if the actor wanted to leave, but seeing it posted that he didn't seems odd.
I too hate the 'Bobby Ewing in the shower' angle...but that would be a good thing. That just left a really bad 'taste in my mouth' (okay, pun intended due to the cannibalistic theme).
And yes, trading a loveable geek for a slimy one is not a good thing. If they were going to bring in a younger guy for possible demographic reasons, why did they go with one so annoying? (I do love how they 'get him' though).
I still LOVE this show, and will watch...but I'm curious as to how and why they did this.
I can't imagine why they did it. It makes a lie out of his character from the git go and I personally
feel duped they decided to change his personality in this way. It was totally unnecessary and to say
his character had run it's course is a writer just being lazy since they hadn't ever tried to explore his
character. He was a part of the show's comedy relief and gave Booth and Hodgins someone to play
off of and the women someone to mother. They lost part of the soul of the show when they did this,
on the other hand that last show just was odd. It came across as very off so I'm hoping something
is up with that but I think the writers strike played a big part in this finale and how poorly it was
set up.
There was supposed to be a whole story arc about him not adjusting to the real world and slowly going nuts. They did this to make the show edgy. Some would probably say they gave us what they thought we needed, not what we wanted. That coupled with that dork with the red lips being a major character next year has slid this show down the 'must see' list quite a bit, maybe off entirely.
Edgy!! Good grief they have enough of the gore to keep the edge on, the show definitely needs the light in it sometime.
The Post Traumatic Stress Theme idea just got to me considering he strikes me as the last type of person to be affected by
something like that. All of the blood and guts he sees on a regular basis with his work, why would seeing things in the
war bother him? That was really a lame thought except for a political message some felt the need to send on the boards.
I understand from reading something the writer said that they were thinking of going down that road too to explain why
he went off the deep end.
He wasn't even gone that long...from what I got watching, he'd barely gone through some kind of 'doctor orientation' (as opposed to a 'boot camp' type thing), and couldn't cut it...that's why they sent him home. He shouldn't ever have seen 'war', he just couldn't take orders (being the Spock-like king of logic, always wanting to know the 'why').
The reason he got sent home would fly in the face of him getting pulled into a cult. He doesn't just follow blindly...and Bones was able to show him the folly of the 'logic' behind his process in, like, two sentences. Dumb.
I think they messed him up when they had him cut his hair and 'grow up'...he was supposed to be the 'kid', the wunderkind...even as he aged, he'd always be that socially inept 'child'.
This better be a 'nightmare' Bones is having while Booth is recouperating from the bullet! Seems like it's got a bunch of her fears all rolled into one there.
They need to get rid of that slimy, smirky 'Sweets' too. He would have been a much better 'accolyte' (I thought it WAS him all along).
Quote from: Saxon on July 16, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
He wasn't even gone that long...from what I got watching, he'd barely gone through some kind of 'doctor orientation' (as opposed to a 'boot camp' type thing), and couldn't cut it...that's why they sent him home. He shouldn't ever have seen 'war', he just couldn't take orders (being the Spock-like king of logic, always wanting to know the 'why').
The reason he got sent home would fly in the face of him getting pulled into a cult. He doesn't just follow blindly...and Bones was able to show him the folly of the 'logic' behind his process in, like, two sentences. Dumb.
I think they messed him up when they had him cut his hair and 'grow up'...he was supposed to be the 'kid', the wunderkind...even as he aged, he'd always be that socially inept 'child'.
This better be a 'nightmare' Bones is having while Booth is recouperating from the bullet! Seems like it's got a bunch of her fears all rolled into one there.
They need to get rid of that slimy, smirky 'Sweets' too. He would have been a much better 'accolyte' (I thought it WAS him all along).
Yep, the war story line was not logical at all and I agree with the make over they did on him. It didn't
suit him at all. I hope it is a nightmare episode to. There is no way that Booth could have healed that
fast when he was shot to be able to attend that false funeral. That was the part that struck me right
away and other odd things followed. Bones not knowing that his death was a fake when she was right
there at his side when he was shot. Not realistic at all nor that stupid tub scene with his crazy hat on.
The whole episode was a farce.
I agree on Sweets, he has got on my nerves from his first show. His red lips are so distracting, I know
he isn't wearing lipstick but it sure does look like it. They need to tone them down and the character
itself is just not likable no matter how they try to make him be one of the guys.
Maybe he IS the accolyte! Remember Cam said it was him, maybe this is a really bad dream, and the dreamer is going to figure out how wrong it wall was, and that Sweets IS the 'bad guy'!!
I never thought it was going to be a dream ep, but now I'm hoping that is the case. The ads they are running show all of them. huh.
Quote from: Saxon on July 16, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
Maybe he IS the accolyte! Remember Cam said it was him, maybe this is a really bad dream, and the dreamer is going to figure out how wrong it wall was, and that Sweets IS the 'bad guy'!!
I never thought it was going to be a dream ep, but now I'm hoping that is the case. The ads they are running show all of them. huh.
Hmmm, I haven't had a chance to see the ads. Just had all my company leave and am trying to catch
up on things. Were these ads from next season? I hope it is a dream sequence even though they have
been done to death. This whole episode just came across like a warped dream.
This is NOT good news at all... ??? :beatsme:
Quote"I have it on good authority that the final episode of Bones is a dream that Booth is having from his death bed. Fox has been in talks with Lou Diamond Phillips to replace David Boreanaz's Seeley Booth...."
http://tinyurl.com/2s4x6q
Quote from: Phyll33 on July 17, 2008, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Saxon on July 16, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
Maybe he IS the accolyte! Remember Cam said it was him, maybe this is a really bad dream, and the dreamer is going to figure out how wrong it wall was, and that Sweets IS the 'bad guy'!!
I never thought it was going to be a dream ep, but now I'm hoping that is the case. The ads they are running show all of them. huh.
Hmmm, I haven't had a chance to see the ads. Just had all my company leave and am trying to catch
up on things. Were these ads from next season? I hope it is a dream sequence even though they have
been done to death. This whole episode just came across like a warped dream.
The ads are just about the show, then there are some for next season, but they just show Booth and Bones interacting as usual, she even gives him a peck on the cheek. I love how they come to the conclusion that if Booth were a woman, Bones might have a problem with him, since she would worry that he would be purtier than she is...he announces, "I would be too...I'd be HOT". hehe.
Quote from: Spooky on July 17, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
This is NOT good news at all... ??? :beatsme:
Quote"I have it on good authority that the final episode of Bones is a dream that Booth is having from his death bed. Fox has been in talks with Lou Diamond Phillips to replace David Boreanaz's Seeley Booth...."
http://tinyurl.com/2s4x6q
YOU PUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Saxon on July 17, 2008, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Spooky on July 17, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
This is NOT good news at all... ??? :beatsme:
Quote"I have it on good authority that the final episode of Bones is a dream that Booth is having from his death bed. Fox has been in talks with Lou Diamond Phillips to replace David Boreanaz's Seeley Booth...."
http://tinyurl.com/2s4x6q
YOU PUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who me? :neener:
Quote from: Spooky on July 17, 2008, 01:15:59 PM
Quote from: Saxon on July 17, 2008, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Spooky on July 17, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
This is NOT good news at all... ??? :beatsme:
Quote"I have it on good authority that the final episode of Bones is a dream that Booth is having from his death bed. Fox has been in talks with Lou Diamond Phillips to replace David Boreanaz's Seeley Booth...."
http://tinyurl.com/2s4x6q
YOU PUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who me? :neener:
Yes you!
I was going to write, 'I don't think that can be true...since David is going to be at the Bones panel, and he probably wouldn't be if he was leaving the show....
then I decided I'd better follow the link...
*thwap*
:hooked:
:seesaw:
I was just over at the Bones board to look at some of their discussions and what a disappointment!! Most of it is made
up of fan fic and very little in depth discussion about the show. They make a frequent comment about not being allowed
to put links up to other sites in their posts. The OB would have collapsed if we couldn't do that. Why does Fox have such
a strangle hold on them or did this happen because we did it so much and if we had stayed under the Fox network thumb
this is what would have happened to the OB? What a difference!!
Quote from: Phyll33 on July 24, 2008, 03:37:34 PM
I was just over at the Bones board to look at some of their discussions and what a disappointment!! Most of it is made
up of fan fic and very little in depth discussion about the show. They make a frequent comment about not being allowed
to put links up to other sites in their posts. The OB would have collapsed if we couldn't do that. Why does Fox have such
a strangle hold on them or did this happen because we did it so much and if we had stayed under the Fox network thumb
this is what would have happened to the OB? What a difference!!
I tried to have a little troll fun over there a few months back (nothing serious - juts being goofy, not rude or anything) and quickly had my posts deleted and was temp banned for about a week. :beatsme:
lets see if I can get banned again. >:D
They must have a very rigid moderator. Even the threads that came up after the finale show that were upset about
how it ended were very limited and didn't last very long. I thought it was odd then when I saw that, then realized maybe
something else was going after visiting several times. Reading some of the threads where there was some controversy
being discussed seemed stifled. As if people were afraid to express how they really felt. Weird atmosphere.
Quote from: Spooky on July 24, 2008, 03:48:36 PM
lets see if I can get banned again. >:D
:laugh:
I wrote one post there in a Zack thread and while I didn't really expect a big response I did expect someone to say
something, if for no other reason that I was new there and jumping in probably where I wasn't wanted. No one said
a word and what I posted did give food for thought. It just seemed like no one wanted to go there.
Quote from: Phyll33 on July 24, 2008, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: Spooky on July 24, 2008, 03:48:36 PM
lets see if I can get banned again. >:D
:laugh:
I wrote one post there in a Zack thread and while I didn't really expect a big response I did expect someone to say
something, if for no other reason that I was new there and jumping in probably where I wasn't wanted. No one said
a word and what I posted did give food for thought. It just seemed like no one wanted to go there.
Makes you love this place even more doesn't it?! We'd NEVER ignore you!
:hug:
<<Makes you love this place even more doesn't it?! We'd NEVER ignore you!>>
:laugh:
This place we all seem to be more or less of like minds. Which is very nice. Sometimes I probably deserve to be
ignored since I can vent with the best of them. :)