With less than three weeks to go until ABC unveils its 2013-14 TV line-up at its May 14 Upfront presentation, questions still surround Joss Whedon's pilot about the agents of Marvel's S.H.I.E.L.D. — which internally at the network is currently dubbed Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Question No. 1: Why the ongoing name change? "I think it had to do with legal things," Whedon told TVLine at Wednesday night's Iron Man 3 premiere event in Los Angeles. Alluding to a similarly named series that put FX on the map, he quipped: "Ask Michael Chiklis, because I think it's his fault."
But of greater interest to those anticipating the ABC/Marvel property — which follows a worldwide law enforcement organization that polices the new, the strange and the unknown — is how it will synch up with Whedon's Avengers movies, the first of which busted all kinds of blocks last summer.
Will the S.H.I.E.L.D. series capitalize on a cross-platform synergy, to the delight of fans? "What we're trying to do is open the door for that — but that's not the door to the main room," Whedon stresses. "The big house is that S.H.I.E.L.D. has to work on its own. It can't be an Easter egg farm. It's got to be a show with characters you care about week to week, that if you've never seen a Marvel movie you can turn into."
And yes, Whedon has the utmost faith that Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. will be able to reel in those aforementioned few who don't consider themselves anything close to superhero junkies.
"I believe the Marvel movies work partially because the idea of a superhero universe is not alien to our culture on so many levels. We're so used to it," he posits. "And so the idea of a superhero show that isn't about superheroes, I think its time has come."
One bit of Avengers/S.H.I.E.L.D. continuity that Whedon did have to tackle head-on is the seeming "resurrection" of Agent Phil Coulson, played on the big screen — and as a series regular in the ABC pilot — by Clark Gregg.
"All I can say is I think we handled it responsibly," Whedon hedges when asked how Coulson manages to continue on. "For more than that, you're going to have to watch." (With reporting by Scott Huver)
http://tvline.com/2013/04/25/joss-whedon-shield-pilot-avengers-crossover-name-change/ (http://tvline.com/2013/04/25/joss-whedon-shield-pilot-avengers-crossover-name-change/)
First Look at Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFZE3W1SF_Q#ws)
That was too short!
Quote from: Spooky on May 12, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
That was too short!
That's what she said
:neener:
Marvel's Agents of SHIELD First Promo (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yg_jaOPV_E#ws)
Don't touch Lola.
:like:
:headbang:
(http://i.imgur.com/XkpwKOc.jpg)
:woohoo:
Ron still looks good. Makes me even sadder because he was the one character I thought might age out of his role
quickly if Firefly had stayed around but from the looks of things he would have still been wonderful.
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 01, 2013, 05:00:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XkpwKOc.jpg)
This was the cause for my nerdgasm. Such joy to see him back. Can't sentence properly.
The entire cast is excellent. I am saying this is better than Firefly. Spectacular. This helps me move on.
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Quote from: Rosie on August 01, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
I am saying this is better than Firefly.
Heresy.
Firefly was the baby Joss gave everything he had to keep it alive and make it shine.
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is the child who will be king. Full power of Disney, Marvel and ABC behind it. This is Joss with full throttle no limit, no fear and no fight. Joss soars to new height and the entire cast is amazing.
When I saw this announcement on Twitter, I thought, "THIS was what had Rosie in a tizzy!". heh.
Can't wait to see it. It was good talking to you today sis. Miss you. :hug:
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Quote from: Rosie on August 01, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
I am saying this is better than Firefly.
Heresy.
Firefly was the baby Joss gave everything he had to keep it alive and make it shine.
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is the child who will be king. Full power of Disney, Marvel and ABC behind it. This is Joss with full throttle no limit, no fear and no fight. Joss soars to new height and the entire cast is amazing.
Just bear in mind that they are scheduled against the number one drama on the number one network.
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Quote from: Rosie on August 01, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
I am saying this is better than Firefly.
Heresy.
Firefly was the baby Joss gave everything he had to keep it alive and make it shine.
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is the child who will be king. Full power of Disney, Marvel and ABC behind it. This is Joss with full throttle no limit, no fear and no fight. Joss soars to new height and the entire cast is amazing.
Just bear in mind that they are scheduled against the number one drama on the number one network.
Yeah, I saw that and while I DVR all my shows I watch this is going to tie up my DVR for that hour on Tuesdays.
That number one show has also shot it self in the foot with the loss of a beloved main character and I'm not
too sure they will regain their footing right away, also the people that love NCIS may not necessarily be the ones
who will love Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and I can see right now I won't be typing that name very much. :)
Cote has been on the show for what 7 or 8 years? She's tired and wants to move on. People were miffed when Sasha Alexander left but the rest of the cast made up for her loss. If I had my druthers, Cote would be on the show until it ends. But they'll be fine without her.
I hope ABC factors in DVR and such, because MAoS is going to get crushed in the ratings, especially the key demos. The younger crowd that MAoS appeals to doesn't watch TV the traditional way anyway. Painting with a broad brush and all.
:woohoo:
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 02, 2013, 09:31:54 AM
Cote has been on the show for what 7 or 8 years? She's tired and wants to move on. People were miffed when Sasha Alexander left but the rest of the cast made up for her loss. If I had my druthers, Cote would be on the show until it ends. But they'll be fine without her.
I hope ABC factors in DVR and such, because MAoS is going to get crushed in the ratings, especially the key demos. The younger crowd that MAoS appeals to doesn't watch TV the traditional way anyway. Painting with a broad brush and all.
I hated when Sasha left but she wasn't there long enough to get invested in but Cote has
built a longer lasting story line and a relationship that needs to have a good ending.
I will still watch both just on my timeframe.
Since Joss is pulling in some of his old actors I'm a little surprised Adam didn't get a part.
The show sounds like it is right up his alley and he isn't doing anything right now that I
I know of. Maybe he is in it, I really don't know who the actors are. Maybe this is why
Nathan is getting cranky, he would rather be in this new show.
Quote from: Phyll33 on August 02, 2013, 04:34:00 PMI'm a little surprised Adam didn't get a part.
The show sounds like it is right up his alley and he isn't doing anything right now that I
I know of.
He does have a part in a show call
The Last Ship.
In July 2012, the American cable television network TNT ordered a pilot episode of a series based on the novel. The series will be produced by Platinum Dunes Partners with Michael Bay, Hank Steinberg, and Steven Kane serving as executive producers. Steinberg and Kane wrote the pilot script, and Jonathan Mostow is set to direct the pilot. The adaptation varies significantly from the original novel. In addition to being set in the early part of the first half of the 21st century, the world wide devastation of mankind is the result of a pandemic which the crew must find a cure and not the result of nuclear warfare between superpowers.[citation needed] Subsequent scenes will include a supply officer who is known as the "Senator".[citation needed] The pilot is being filmed at a number of locations across San Diego including aboard the USS Halsey (DDG-97), which is standing in for the show's fictional USS Nathan James (DDG-151).[6] The former cruise liner RMS Queen Mary, now berthed at Long Beach, will also be used extensively.[not in citation given][7][8] The show will star Michaela McManus, Adam Baldwin, Charles Parnell, Travis Van Winkle, and Christina Elmore, along with British actors Sam Spruell and Rhona Mitra. Eric Dane is set to play the commanding officer of the USS Nathan James, Captain Tom Chandler.[9][10][11]
In May 2013, TNT ordered 10 episodes of The Last Ship, set to air sometime in mid-2014.[11] TNT is negotiating with the U.S. Navy to use San Diego-based destroyers for the filming of the first series. Site and location surveys onboard the USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108) will commence soon after approval is received.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship)
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
I always believed that Adam just wants steady work. The work is the thing not the fame or status. Money doesn't hurt but I never thought he was after being a name. He has a reputation for being a good hard worker, but his height has limited what roles he is able to do.
I still wish he would do a fun family flick where he is the Dad and the Comedic Talent. Adam is truly Hi-Larious.
Quote from: Rosie on August 03, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
I always believed that Adam just wants steady work. The work is the thing not the fame or status. Money doesn't hurt but I never thought he was after being a name. He has a reputation for being a good hard worker, but his height has limited what roles he is able to do.
I still wish he would do a fun family flick where he is the Dad and the Comedic Talent. Adam is truly Hi-Larious.
Don't kid yourself. Adam was devastated with the loss of the role Jayne. It was going to be his
signature role and give him the name recognition that nothing else had. Yes, he definitely wants
steady work but he is an actor and a little fame does not hurt. Shield may be another winner for
Joss and I'm sure Adam would have liked to share in it as well as the other Firefly cast members.
Of course bringing them all back in a different form would have been obvious and probably not
the best idea it sure would have been nice to see them again working together. Joss got a lot
out of Adam and the others and they seemed to bring the best out in each other.
Quote from: Rosie on August 03, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
I always believed that Adam just wants steady work. The work is the thing not the fame or status. Money doesn't hurt but I never thought he was after being a name. He has a reputation for being a good hard worker, but his height has limited what roles he is able to do.
I still wish he would do a fun family flick where he is the Dad and the Comedic Talent. Adam is truly Hi-Larious.
I'm under the impression that Adam's a "Pro's pro" but yeah , I agree with Phyll - Jayne fit like a glove .
As far as "fame" ?
Adam's an actor and actors have egos ...
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Rosie on August 03, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
I always believed that Adam just wants steady work. The work is the thing not the fame or status. Money doesn't hurt but I never thought he was after being a name. He has a reputation for being a good hard worker, but his height has limited what roles he is able to do.
I still wish he would do a fun family flick where he is the Dad and the Comedic Talent. Adam is truly Hi-Larious.
I'm under the impression that Adam's a "Pro's pro" but yeah , I agree with Phyll - Jayne fit like a glove .
As far as "fame" ?
Adam's an actor and actors have egos ...
Adam has an ego like we all do. He wants to be recognized as a talented actor who brings a lot to a role. He's not just the big tough guy.
We all want to earn what we deserve.
Quote from: Rosie on August 04, 2013, 05:43:51 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Rosie on August 03, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
I always believed that Adam just wants steady work. The work is the thing not the fame or status. Money doesn't hurt but I never thought he was after being a name. He has a reputation for being a good hard worker, but his height has limited what roles he is able to do.
I still wish he would do a fun family flick where he is the Dad and the Comedic Talent. Adam is truly Hi-Larious.
I'm under the impression that Adam's a "Pro's pro" but yeah , I agree with Phyll - Jayne fit like a glove .
As far as "fame" ?
Adam's an actor and actors have egos ...
Adam has an ego like we all do. He wants to be recognized as a talented actor who brings a lot to a role. He's not just the big tough guy.
We all want to earn what we deserve.
Oh definitely, that is why I thought he would have loved to work with Joss again. Joss brought something out in Adam
I don't see with his other performances. While I loved John Casey and he certainly improved over the course of Chuck,
his performance was more wooden than in Firefly. His performance in Firefly seemed to be on the money right from the
start. Whether that was due to his loving the part or Joss being a good director or Joss letting Adam be Adam I don't
know but there was a difference. :)
Quote from: Phyll33 on August 04, 2013, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: Rosie on August 04, 2013, 05:43:51 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Rosie on August 03, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 03, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Hopefully , Adam's show doesn't suck .
I think Nathan's annoyed that the PTB are tardy about locking him up - he's the star and he wants his star money . Simple as that .
SHIELD ( I'm going to dispense with the periods ) looks really promising on the talent side , here's to hoping the PTB are now in the 21 century regarding ratings .
I always believed that Adam just wants steady work. The work is the thing not the fame or status. Money doesn't hurt but I never thought he was after being a name. He has a reputation for being a good hard worker, but his height has limited what roles he is able to do.
I still wish he would do a fun family flick where he is the Dad and the Comedic Talent. Adam is truly Hi-Larious.
I'm under the impression that Adam's a "Pro's pro" but yeah , I agree with Phyll - Jayne fit like a glove .
As far as "fame" ?
Adam's an actor and actors have egos ...
Adam has an ego like we all do. He wants to be recognized as a talented actor who brings a lot to a role. He's not just the big tough guy.
We all want to earn what we deserve.
Oh definitely, that is why I thought he would have loved to work with Joss again. Joss brought something out in Adam
I don't see with his other performances. While I loved John Casey and he certainly improved over the course of Chuck,
his performance was more wooden than in Firefly. His performance in Firefly seemed to be on the money right from the
start. Whether that was due to his loving the part or Joss being a good director or Joss letting Adam be Adam I don't
know but there was a difference. :)
I agree it would be nice to see Adam on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I didn't expect anyone so seeing someone was an extraordinary delight.
I really really wish that Disney would just buy the right of Firefly from Fox. I wish really really hard for that. THEN maybe Joss can do something with it. Fox is not nice.
I thought they only had the rights to it for a certain period of time. Yes, it would be nice to have someone
else be able to do something with it if they aren't.
Quote from: Phyll33 on August 04, 2013, 12:43:33 PM
I thought they only had the rights to it for a certain period of time. Yes, it would be nice to have someone
else be able to do something with it if they aren't.
Thsi is my conspiracy theorist comign out but I really believe someone, rupert Murdoch or someone else has it out for Firefly. They want it to fail and we are a thorn in their side. There is no rationale to it.
I want an animated series at least. But Firefly The Later Years Sounds good too.
Quote from: Rosie on August 04, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on August 04, 2013, 12:43:33 PM
I thought they only had the rights to it for a certain period of time. Yes, it would be nice to have someone
else be able to do something with it if they aren't.
Thsi is my conspiracy theorist comign out but I really believe someone, rupert Murdoch or someone else has it out for Firefly. They want it to fail and we are a thorn in their side. There is no rationale to it.
I want an animated series at least. But Firefly The Later Years Sounds good too.
If there was money to be made, Fox would try to make it. The movie bombed, it lost money. The fan base is very passionate but there aren't that many of us when it comes right down to it.
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 04, 2013, 03:07:54 PM
If there was money to be made, Fox would try to make it. The movie bombed, it lost money. The fan base is very passionate but there aren't that many of us when it comes right down to it.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T3x6sstirmk/StRqtCiaeWI/AAAAAAAAAj0/OJJbkulnEmQ/s400/Nail.png)
The fan base is very passionate but there aren't that many of us when it comes right down to it.
:deadhorse:
:(
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 05, 2013, 07:55:42 AM
The fan base is very passionate but there aren't that many of us when it comes right down to it.
:deadhorse:
:(
:dontlike: :jedi: :wtf: :vuvu: :kirk: :trekum:
I disagree.
Quote from: Rosie on August 05, 2013, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 05, 2013, 07:55:42 AM
The fan base is very passionate but there aren't that many of us when it comes right down to it.
:deadhorse:
:(
:dontlike: :jedi: :wtf: :vuvu: :kirk: :trekum:
I disagree.
:squee: :squee
We are rather smallish ( and too pretty to die ) ...
:squee:
:neener:
Oh, I definitely think someone had it in for Firefly and maybe Joss but those people are gone now. There has
always been more to the story than we ever heard. Someone got his nose out of joint that Firefly was totally
different from what they expected and they weren't going to admit it was good no matter what they did. Joss
and team had a personality conflict with someone or ones and they took it out on the show.
Fox is in the business of getting people to watch their programming long enough and in numbers great enough to sit through the commercials. Why would they invest millions of dollars in programming only to get people not to tune in because it was too good? We went through this with Dollhouse too. In the case of Dollhouse, it got to the point that reruns of House drew more viewers.
It isn't a question of how good it was or is. Firefly ranked 98th in the Nielsen ratings. IIRC, there were about 120 shows at the time. It didn't attract enough viewers to succeed.
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 05, 2013, 07:07:40 PM
Fox is in the business of getting people to watch their programming long enough and in numbers great enough to sit through the commercials. Why would they invest millions of dollars in programming only to get people not to tune in because it was too good? We went through this with Dollhouse too. In the case of Dollhouse, it got to the point that reruns of House drew more viewers.
It isn't a question of how good it was or is. Firefly ranked 98th in the Nielsen ratings. IIRC, there were about 120 shows at the time. It didn't attract enough viewers to succeed.
Why Fox mishandled Firefly I cannot explain.
The fact Firefly was aired out of ordered.
The fact it was preempted for the World Series.
The fact that it was not promoted and scheduled Friday at 8pm.
Finally the fact that reality TV was cheaper.
All contributed to the end of Firefly.
Dollhouse had interference from Fox Execs. The first 5 episodes are AWFUL. Joss' episode 6 was correct.
It is someone's job to promote and attract viewers. They need to sell it. It's about selling ice to Eskimos. If you suck at that it's your fault not the show's fault.
Neilsen Ratings are an out dated guideline. Other shows on other networks have been given a chance and gone on to succeed. Firefly was not and it is only Fox's fault.
Agree to disagree.
Quote from: Rosie on August 06, 2013, 07:05:54 AM
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 06, 2013, 03:20:22 AM
Agree to disagree.
Good.
:)
I agree with you Rosie. Something was going on with the selling of the show that wasn''t there. Showing it out of
order was the biggy. All the ads and trailers I saw before the show aired were from the pilot. To have that not shown
when anyone watching was expecting it was a killer for many. I almost gave up on it myself with the first couple of
shows. By the time it got it's legs it had lost everyone except the hardcore fans and there was not enough time left
to get them back. Someone at the top didn't like it from the beginning, figured out how to kill it off real quick without
having to spend any more money on it. If the pilot had aired first I think we would have been looking at a whole different
outcome. That pilot was a perfect set up for the series.
Tim Minear didn't object to the episode order. He said Fox wanted the strongest episodes to air early to build an audience and Tim agreed or at least didn't fight them over it. Fox hated the pilot, that's why they asked for another one. They thought the second pilot was better and went with it first. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one other time that a second pilot was commissioned for a TV series. (Star Trek.)
Why would Fox invest millions of dollars in a project only to intentionally sabotage it? Explain how that in any way makes sense. The fact is that people stayed away in droves. It was 98th out of about 120 or so shows that year. The last time I went to D*C and sat in on a panel, Mark Sheppard addressed the "someone out to get Firefly" theory. He said there was nothing to it, Fox is a network and the ratings were terrible. That doesn't mean it was a terrible show, just that people didn't watch it.
As far as bumping it for the World Series, that happens to most every Fox show in the fall. Fox wanted four episode of Glee to air this fall before the World Series to air and interrupt things, but that ain't happening. Firefly averaged less than five million viewers in 2002, the World Series pulled in another 15 million viewers on top of that in 2002 and that year was down 25% from the previous year.
Friday night is the death slot, always has been. In fact, since the X-Files, there has only been one scripted show on Fox to make it an additional season season and that was Fringe.
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 06, 2013, 11:09:11 AM
Tim Minear didn't object to the episode order. He said Fox wanted the strongest episodes to air early to build an audience and Tim agreed or at least didn't fight them over it. Fox hated the pilot, that's why they asked for another one. They thought the second pilot was better and went with it first. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one other time that a second pilot was commissioned for a TV series. (Star Trek.)
Why would Fox invest millions of dollars in a project only to intentionally sabotage it? Explain how that in any way makes sense. The fact is that people stayed away in droves. It was 98th out of about 120 or so shows that year. The last time I went to D*C and sat in on a panel, Mark Sheppard addressed the "someone out to get Firefly" theory. He said there was nothing to it, Fox is a network and the ratings were terrible. That doesn't mean it was a terrible show, just that people didn't watch it.
As far as bumping it for the World Series, that happens to most every Fox show in the fall. Fox wanted four episode of Glee to air this fall before the World Series to air and interrupt things, but that ain't happening. Firefly averaged less than five million viewers in 2002, the World Series pulled in another 15 million viewers on top of that in 2002 and that year was down 25% from the previous year.
Friday night is the death slot, always has been. In fact, since the X-Files, there has only been one scripted show on Fox to make it an additional season season and that was Fringe.
Your contradicting yourself Tink. Of course Tim Minear objected he just didn't admit he objected. Everyone on the show knew
that the pilot was the strongest episode to introduce Firefly and was also the one they used to promote it. If anyone says they
were on board with the change they are lying, they were just trying to placate the powers that be. If Fox was so gung ho for
this show and didn't have ill will toward it then they wouldn't have put it on Friday night in the death slot. Someone set it up
to fail under the guise of giving it a chance. Of course it didn't have the numbers, of course the ratings were terrible, people
didn't watch it for a reason and it wasn't because it wasn't a good show. It was deliberately set up to have too many odds to
overcome and when that happened the powers that be that didn't like it or Joss got their wish in a way that made them look like
they gave it a chance. Mark was lying and being diplomatic. He didn't want to spoil his chances of being picked up on other Fox
shows. Actors aren't going to come out in public and bite the hand that feeds them.
So we can't go by what Tim said, nor Mark. Okay.
The people that paid for the pilot --- Fox --- didn't like the pilot but were committed enough to order another one. Why would they continue to spend money on a project they wanted to fail?
All bets are off when humans and egos are involved; be it from maliciousness, willful ignorance or incompetency.
Sounds pretty much like politics, doesn't it?
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 06, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
So we can't go by what Tim said, nor Mark. Okay.
The people that paid for the pilot --- Fox --- didn't like the pilot but were committed enough to order another one. Why would they continue to spend money on a project they wanted to fail?
You said agree to disagree. Usually to me that means no more saying why you think you are right.
You seem to be stuck on Why Fox did this? It makes no sense.
Fox is not a person it a company with many pieces.
Someone buys the property.
Someone markets the property.
Someone schedules the property.
Someone cancels it, usually supported by numbers.
I believe, aside from someone wishing they never bought Firefly in the first place, realized it cost more than producing Joe Millionaire. Someone preferred reality TV.
Possibly someone had it out for Joss for some unreasonable reason.
Why Fox failed we will never know.
My point is Firefly never failed. We were right. New Browncoats arriving everyday to Firefly fans .net and Done The Impossible is now available on Netflix.
:neener:
Firefly was right. Fox was wrong.
Quote from: Rosie on August 06, 2013, 07:19:49 PM
You said agree to disagree. Usually to me that means no more saying why you think you are right.
I'll do what I should have done earlier then and STFU.
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 06, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
So we can't go by what Tim said, nor Mark. Okay.
The people that paid for the pilot --- Fox --- didn't like the pilot but were committed enough to order another one. Why would they continue to spend money on a project they wanted to fail?
I'm not trying to shut you up I'm just trying to bring up that there were
personalities involved that affected this decision. Did you ever think that
the second pilot that they insisted upon was maybe not expected to come
to fruition? Joss and Tim have hinted in the past that they pulled The Train
Job out of their hat in a few days and they worked like dogs to get it done
much to the surprise of the powers that be. I have a feeling the powers that
be didn't expect them to do that. Someone wanted to work with Joss and
convinced someone else that this would be a good thing BUT someone at
the top wasn't impressed, thought he was right and decided to fulfill that
prediction.
Fox even came out later after many of those that were once in charge left
and said they treated the show badly and may have jumped the gun on
canceling it. We will never know the whole story since too many aren't talking
but the low ratings they created was not the real reason just the excuse.
(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4607912609712778&pid=1.7)
Not enough people watched , Fox pulled the plug ( and later admitted they were mistaken to do so . Was the plug-pulling helped along by suits clashing with Joss and Tim ? I can believe that , suits are stupid and Joss can be pretty condescending )
:deadhorse:
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 07, 2013, 07:39:13 AM
(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4607912609712778&pid=1.7)
Not enough people watched , Fox pulled the plug ( and later admitted they were mistaken to do so . Was the plug-pulling helped along by suits clashing with Joss and Tim ? I can believe that , suits are stupid and Joss can be pretty condescending )
:deadhorse:
:dance3: spiderdance spiderdance spiderdance :dance3:
:shiny:
Tuesdays this Fall Agents of S H I E L D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j16MIENCZCs#)
Quote from: Phyll33 on August 06, 2013, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Rosie on August 06, 2013, 07:05:54 AM
Quote from: TinkTanker on August 06, 2013, 03:20:22 AM
Agree to disagree.
Good.
:)
I agree with you Rosie. Something was going on with the selling of the show that wasn''t there. Showing it out of
order was the biggy. All the ads and trailers I saw before the show aired were from the pilot. To have that not shown
when anyone watching was expecting it was a killer for many. I almost gave up on it myself with the first couple of
shows. By the time it got it's legs it had lost everyone except the hardcore fans and there was not enough time left
to get them back. Someone at the top didn't like it from the beginning, figured out how to kill it off real quick without
having to spend any more money on it. If the pilot had aired first I think we would have been looking at a whole different
outcome. That pilot was a perfect set up for the series.
I never watched FF on TV because the promos made it look STUPID. I have a promo on tape of Wash saying "Oh my God, what can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?" from Bushwhacked, episode 3. I didn't even care that it was a Whedon show and I watched Buffy and Angel religiously.
That aside, you're watching the show live and the gorgeous opening credits have naked Summer Glau in a box and you don't know why. Who got screwed? (audience)
Why weren't the credits recut? Were they a "screw you" to Fox? From Fox to Mutant Enemy? I'm not saying they shouldn't have shown footage from Serenity in the credits, but it just....stinks.
We are definitely :deadhorse: . But personally, I still believe Firefly will be rebooted.
Quote from: Pearl@32 on September 24, 2013, 11:40:21 AM
We are definitely :deadhorse: . But personally, I still believe Firefly will be rebooted.
Think so? On Facebook some of us made suggestions for a new cast. I think mine was this guy for a new Mal:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00783/Shia-LaBeouf-460_783394c.jpg)
:neener:
Quote from: Pearl@32 on September 24, 2013, 11:40:21 AM
We are definitely :deadhorse: . But personally, I still believe Firefly will be rebooted.
Joss and company created a universe rich with story telling opportunities. It'd be a shame if something else didn't rise from the ashes of FF/Serenity.
Quote from: Eric on September 24, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
Think so? On Facebook some of us made suggestions for a new cast. I think mine was this guy for a new Mal:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00783/Shia-LaBeouf-460_783394c.jpg)
:neener:
If tptb decide to enter the FF universe again, I kind of want something new. In my eyes, it doesn't have to be about the FF crew.
It was a decent premiere. Definitely a Joss show.
Yeah it was decent...I didn't like some of the dialogue but the mystery behind Coulson's return is intriguing!!!!!!
It's seems "Tahiti" may not be all beaches and bikinis.
Quote from: Spooky on September 25, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
It's seems "Tahiti" may not be all beaches and bikinis.
TAHITI BAD! TAHITI BAD!
"Heroes" and "The 4400" both came to mind with this show.
Otherwise, my feelings are summed-up pretty well with almost every word of this song:
http://youtu.be/d0vXxH1IEmQ (http://youtu.be/d0vXxH1IEmQ)
They did a lot of exposition in the pilot and I would think that future eps will have more action once they get that out of the way.
Quote from: Rosie on August 05, 2013, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on August 05, 2013, 07:55:42 AM
The fan base is very passionate but there aren't that many of us when it comes right down to it.
:deadhorse:
:(
:dontlike: :jedi: :wtf: :vuvu: :kirk: :trekum:
I disagree.
I agree with Rosie. I am of the firm belief that what Joss started w/ Buffy & Angel, he multiplied with Firefly (fan-wise). I honestly believe that is has been Browncoats that have been the main propulsion for Joss' work since FF. We have done the impossible. Even things that Joss got into and made better have had a ripple effect. I don't think it's a co-incidence that movies like 'Cabin' and even 'Red Dawn' finally got released after stuff Joss had success with kicked the suits into gear. I love cause and effect, and even tho I know I'm not privy to all the workings, I do see a trend. I also see all the Jayne hats and brown tees and brown coats in the sea of people at Comic Con and other events.
We are MANY.
My biggest complaint ?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e59131dfe087a7cc3ff209e769594447/tumblr_mmpy2qVKIP1rr58e1o3_500.gif)
They're on a plane .
Lola needs to be tied down .
21st century version of a "loose cannon"
:neener:
As a former Marine I've tied down my share a pallets, Humvees and trucks in the cargo bay of military aircraft and that scene bothered me. It's not just that everything needs to be tied down, but you need a load plan as well (I was trained how to do load plans for C130s, C141s and C5s). Everything is weighed and the center of balance is calculated and then you can plan out where it is going to go in relation to everything else on the plane. If it's not right, then the plane may not be able to take off or land properly and then people die.
Clearly it was a forcefield that held them down, or some other technomagic.
Is it too much to ask that they mix our reality with the science and the magic and the other-worldly stuff? Come on Joss and Co.!
I get that though, it bugs me when stuff I know gets muddled up and overlooked or disregarded. I want to know the boundaries of the universe I'm watching & getting involved in. Sometimes the 'rules' just don't apply, but when it's 'our world', with some added bonuses (like Thor's arms), we need to have those points laid out. Still...I believe you guys are right, they should still be following the 'rules' of gravity, flying, weight and all that. UNLESS, they are inside some kind of 'space ship' type structure that has it's own gravity or whatever.
I also saw mention of how a 'hacker who lives in her van' should not have been perfectly made up with a nice pressed suit...so, it seems there might be more stuff to nitpick! lol.
Can't we move this to the child boards? :idea:
Pretty Please. :praise:
Tom watched tonight, and as tired as he was, he still chuckled out loud at a few parts (for him, an audible chuckle is a knee slapper!). I got to see the first 8 minutes too...so that was cool. So, this is gonna be a regular thing for us.
Another nitpick? When the 'hooded hero' lands while holding the Centipede Dr, you see her do a bounce w/ her neck hyper-extended...both Tom and I groaned. C'mon people, if he landed so hard as to leave his footprints in the ground. that would have snapped her back and spine where he was holding her.
As for Lola? It did look like 'she' was being raised up on some sort of platform as they were preparing to take off...maybe it was some kind of cargo hold thingie to keep her safe and do all the technical things mentioned above. I guess just the fact that the crewman was walking toward her shows that she needed some sort of prep...I guess it's just done after Coulson walks away? Or maybe she has her own personal attendant? heh.
Another 'pick? This one goes back to Firefly's Serenity ep. Someone needs to explain to Joss just how much, or little hitting w/ heavy objects the human head can take! When Dobson repeatedly beaned Book with the bottle, I kept saying that any one of those blows could have killed him. Then, to see the factory foreman get clobbered with that tank? C'mon, that news lady wouldn't be saying 'ICU' or whatever...it would have been a report of a murder! Oh, and as for Coulson's secret...I figured, even before the show aired, that he was 'saved' by alien technology. Felt it even more so after watching. BUT then Gingi told me how 'obvious' it was. She sited some comic book stuff that seemed very likely.
What do you guys think? Why/how is he alive?
Okay, I finally watched this today. Not impressed. Typical Joss. Except for Coulson I
didn't connect with any of the other characters. The so called hunk of the show has a
cupie bow mouth that is a turn off and for crying out loud where does Joss get all of
his skinny little brunette women as his heroines. They all look cloned. He definitely
has a type and if I was his wife I think I would bop him over. Also if you are going
to put in nerdy little geeks with foreign accents as comedy relief it would help if their
accents weren't so strong that you couldn't understand them. The girl not too bad but
the boy is terrible.
The stories better be stronger than what I saw or this is going to be another Heros
of one season and done.
Sounds like Tahiti may have been his version of heaven. I have no idea how they brought
him back to life.
Here's what Gingi thought on her blog:
http://domesticgeekgirl.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/agents-of-shield-series-premiere-review/ (http://domesticgeekgirl.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/agents-of-shield-series-premiere-review/)
Quote from: Saxon on September 29, 2013, 04:54:03 PM
Here's what Gingi thought on her blog:
http://domesticgeekgirl.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/agents-of-shield-series-premiere-review/ (http://domesticgeekgirl.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/agents-of-shield-series-premiere-review/)
Yeah, I think we all have developed thick skins where Joss is concerned. His shows are a
bit formulaic and so are his characters. I saw more Dollhouse clone in the hacker chick
but still the same type of character over and over with the kick butt Zoe character added.
It works for him but after awhile it gets old for some of his audience. Firefly he had a
cast to die for but not this time.
Weird I hunk of Skye as a River w/out the crazy.
Typical Joss is Gold to me. Yes Joss repeats himself but it works for me. Also based on what we he said before it seems to just come out subconsciously.
The deaths hurt, a lot, but Joss also gives me great joy, so I deal and keep going.
I adore the fact Coulson lives. I just wish it was Wash.
Quote from: Phyll33 on September 29, 2013, 01:26:07 PM
Okay, I finally watched this today. Not impressed. Typical Joss. Except for Coulson I
didn't connect with any of the other characters. The so called hunk of the show has a
cupie bow mouth that is a turn off and for crying out loud where does Joss get all of
his skinny little brunette women as his heroines. They all look cloned. He definitely
has a type and if I was his wife I think I would bop him over. Also if you are going
to put in nerdy little geeks with foreign accents as comedy relief it would help if their
accents weren't so strong that you couldn't understand them. The girl not too bad but
the boy is terrible.
The stories better be stronger than what I saw or this is going to be another Heros
of one season and done.
Sounds like Tahiti may have been his version of heaven. I have no idea how they brought
him back to life.
Um , those accents were pretty mild .
Seriously .
( I watch a lot of British stuff including Coronation Street , daily . And even then the "Northern" accent is nothing compared to real Scots )
:PSA:
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on September 30, 2013, 06:43:21 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on September 29, 2013, 01:26:07 PM
Okay, I finally watched this today. Not impressed. Typical Joss. Except for Coulson I
didn't connect with any of the other characters. The so called hunk of the show has a
cupie bow mouth that is a turn off and for crying out loud where does Joss get all of
his skinny little brunette women as his heroines. They all look cloned. He definitely
has a type and if I was his wife I think I would bop him over. Also if you are going
to put in nerdy little geeks with foreign accents as comedy relief it would help if their
accents weren't so strong that you couldn't understand them. The girl not too bad but
the boy is terrible.
The stories better be stronger than what I saw or this is going to be another Heros
of one season and done.
Sounds like Tahiti may have been his version of heaven. I have no idea how they brought
him back to life.
Um , those accents were pretty mild .
Seriously .
( I watch a lot of British stuff including Coronation Street , daily . And even then the "Northern" accent is nothing compared to real Scots )
:PSA:
The girl's was strong but normal and not hard to understand until she starts arguing with the young man when it
gets stronger. He was much harder and has a Cockney sound to it that he has tried to calm down to be more understandable.
Unfortunately if you were raised with that accent you don't lose certain parts of it and it is not something that people
can quickly decipher in a fast moving show. I DVR'd it and could rewind to try and catch what he said but I'm sure
many lost some especially when the accents get stronger while arguing.
I too listen and watch a lot of British productions but more importantly I lived there for more than 3 years so I've
pretty much heard them all and yes they can be very strong in some sections of the country, especially the middle
and working class sections. Your ear has to be tuned into the rhythm of it. I'm sure the more people hear the easier
it will get but I doubt if I'm the only one that had problems with it and yes my hearing is very good.
If you're talking about the Fitz/Simmons duo (or whatever they're called), I think by the time they were doing their back-and-forth I just didn't care enough to try to process much. I don't know -- the show just seemed like it had a whole lot of chatter.
But that's me. I get the same way if I'm on the phone for way too long. :D
Quote from: Eric on September 30, 2013, 08:05:31 AM
If you're talking about the Fitz/Simmons duo (or whatever they're called), I think by the time they were doing their back-and-forth I just didn't care enough to try to process much. I don't know -- the show just seemed like it had a whole lot of chatter.
But that's me. I get the same way if I'm on the phone for way too long. :D
Yes, that is who I'm talking about and your right (whoever). I don't know if I will make
it through the season. I kind of feel with this like I did with Dollhouse. Just something to
watch not really anything to look forward to. I have probably aged out of this type of show. :)
The girl has the high class "posh" accent which is the easiest of all to understand .
The guy is Scottish ( mild ) .
I think the fact they talked over each other made for more difficulties than anything else .
Either way - no difficulties on my front
I have to agree with Phyll, I couldn't understand what the adorkables were saying. Between their accents and talking over one another, it was gibberish. I chalked it up to technobabble and stopped trying.
They'll grow on us , then Joss will kill the girl .
:PSA:
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 01, 2013, 07:16:13 AM
I have to agree with Phyll, I couldn't understand what the adorkables were saying. Between their accents and talking over one another, it was gibberish. I chalked it up to technobabble and stopped trying.
Yeah, but that technobabble gave us technomagic which could reconstruct crime scenes and put them up as holograms.
Quote from: Eric on October 01, 2013, 08:04:54 AM
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 01, 2013, 07:16:13 AM
I have to agree with Phyll, I couldn't understand what the adorkables were saying. Between their accents and talking over one another, it was gibberish. I chalked it up to technobabble and stopped trying.
Yeah, but that technobabble gave us technomagic which could reconstruct crime scenes and put them up as holograms.
Pfft. Bones has been reconstructing skull fragments into holographic representations of the victims for years. ::)
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 01, 2013, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: Eric on October 01, 2013, 08:04:54 AM
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 01, 2013, 07:16:13 AM
I have to agree with Phyll, I couldn't understand what the adorkables were saying. Between their accents and talking over one another, it was gibberish. I chalked it up to technobabble and stopped trying.
Yeah, but that technobabble gave us technomagic which could reconstruct crime scenes and put them up as holograms.
Pfft. Bones has been reconstructing skull fragments into holographic representations of the victims for years. ::)
(http://airpigz.com/storage/large/2012/Avengers-Movie-Helicarrier.jpg)
:neener:
:D
I'm okay with suspending belief (um, superheroes?), but throw me a bone here. :haha:
Is tonight the night SHIELD rips off Serenity with the blue flashy thingy?
Easter eggs & trivia from last night's show. I'm nerd enough to have known most of these.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/124251-s-h-i-e-l-d-dossiers-0-8-4.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/124251-s-h-i-e-l-d-dossiers-0-8-4.html)
My brother's GF decided that her dumb "E" reality show was more important to DVR than SHIELD, so she canceled my recording to setup her's. :veryangry:
We will be getting the Xfinity X1 soon and be moving the current DVR to the Tv that doesn't have one so, hopefully, we won't have this issue again.
I missed the second episode, but I heard about The Big Cameo.
I liked the second episode a bit better. The adorkables dialed it back a notch. Accents weren't as bad, they didn't talk quite so fast, or on top of one another.
Quote from: Spooky on October 02, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
My brother's GF decided that her dumb "E" reality show was more important to DVR than SHIELD, so she canceled my recording to setup her's. :veryangry:
We will be getting the Xfinity X1 soon and be moving the current DVR to the Tv that doesn't have one so, hopefully, we won't have this issue again.
Aaaaawwww That is TERRIBLE!!! :doh: :hug: :-*
Quote from: Eric on October 02, 2013, 09:23:02 AM
I missed the second episode, but I heard about The Big Cameo.
Yay! That Cameo was an incredible surprise. So all I can do is expect the unexpected!!!
So Exciting!
I liked it .
Kinda dumb ( still no tie downs ? No way that float plugs that hole , etc ... ) but fun .
Lots of fun .
"You should've taken more guns."
:haha:
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on October 02, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
I liked it .
Kinda dumb ( still no tie downs ? No way that float plugs that hole , etc ... ) but fun .
Lots of fun .
"You should've taken more guns."
:haha:
I did see a tie down. In the middle under Lola I saw a strap something, at the end when Coulson is cheking on Lola.
Maybe it's a new fangled system. :P ;)
The float thing did work! :haha: Didn't you see it saved Agent Ward.
Hmmm, I guess I wasn't being an old fuddy duddy. Apparently Shield lost 34% of it's viewers
on the second outing.
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 03, 2013, 06:10:10 AM
Hmmm, I guess I wasn't being an old fuddy duddy. Apparently Shield lost 34% of it's viewers
on the second outing.
ABC's Agents of SHIELD has earned the unfortunate bragging rights to the biggest drop-off from its premiere of any new show this season. Last week's big scripted launch, which bested a four-year ratings record for a drama premiere, fell a significant 33 percent on Tuesday night.http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-agents-shield-slips-641544 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-agents-shield-slips-641544)
Someone said it was pretty much your generic cop/action show sprinkled with a few comic book references. I can't say I disagree with that. It's a cute show and I'm willing to give it time to grow but I'd not miss it if they canceled it next week. Between say Arrow and SHIELD, Arrow is a much better show. When they take into account DVRing and people watching it in the next few days, the numbers will increase. ABC/Marvel has a lot invested in this show and unless it really starts tanking, they will keep pumping it up and stick with it.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 03, 2013, 06:48:19 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 03, 2013, 06:10:10 AM
Hmmm, I guess I wasn't being an old fuddy duddy. Apparently Shield lost 34% of it's viewers
on the second outing.
ABC's Agents of SHIELD has earned the unfortunate bragging rights to the biggest drop-off from its premiere of any new show this season. Last week's big scripted launch, which bested a four-year ratings record for a drama premiere, fell a significant 33 percent on Tuesday night.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-agents-shield-slips-641544 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-agents-shield-slips-641544)
Someone said it was pretty much your generic cop/action show sprinkled with a few comic book references. I can't say I disagree with that. It's a cute show and I'm willing to give it time to grow but I'd not miss it if they canceled it next week. Between say Arrow and SHIELD, Arrow is a much better show. When they take into account DVRing and people watching it in the next few days, the numbers will increase. ABC/Marvel has a lot invested in this show and unless it really starts tanking, they will keep pumping it up and stick with it.
A lot of people have said Arrow is good. I guess I will have to buy the Season 1 DVD. Since so many of my shows
have been canceled I need replacement DVD's. I wish they had given King and Maxwell a chance. I'm sure they will
give this a chance but Joss is not getting a good reputation recently with his TV series. He should have revived Firefly,
I bet it would have done better but too many of our cast members are gone. How ironic that our oldest member who
I would have thought might not have been able to be with the cast for the long term is still doing well and shows up
on this show. Firefly could have lasted a long time with it's original cast.
Arrow isn't perfect, the main character has always been a huge social liberal, going after the greedy corrupt evil money grubbers and that carries over in the show as well to an extent. But I liked it more than I thought I would. It is definitely better than SHIELD in my opinion and if you are into the whole action-adventure superhero stuff, worth watching.
Did they not renew Maxwell and King? It was better than the Close spinoff. I couldn't stand the bratty little kid, that ruined that show.
Arrow's a lot of fun , he kills people .
And then his compadres call him on it .
:)
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on October 03, 2013, 01:04:09 PM
Arrow's a lot of fun , he kills people .
And then his compadres call him on it .
:)
Diggle has been retconned into the comics, which is kind of cool.
And the show has Felicity Smoakin' Hawt.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 03, 2013, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on October 03, 2013, 01:04:09 PM
Arrow's a lot of fun , he kills people .
And then his compadres call him on it .
:)
Diggle has been retconned into the comics, which is kind of cool.
And the show has Felicity Smoakin' Hawt.
I like it .
I like SHIELD and Sleepy Hollow too .
Fun stuff all
:)
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 03, 2013, 12:47:50 PM
Arrow isn't perfect, the main character has always been a huge social liberal, going after the greedy corrupt evil money grubbers and that carries over in the show as well to an extent. But I liked it more than I thought I would. It is definitely better than SHIELD in my opinion and if you are into the whole action-adventure superhero stuff, worth watching.
Did they not renew Maxwell and King? It was better than the Close spinoff. I couldn't stand the bratty little kid, that ruined that show.
Okay, maybe I should see if I can watch an episode on demand to see if I would like Arrow.
I've heard Major Crimes isn't that great and yet it did better than King & Maxwell. I was really
bummed. I really enjoyed it and thought it had a lot of potential.
I have a feeling the Shield and I will part ways early but I will give it a chance since I'm
frankly running out of things I like to watch.
It's going to take more than Skye's boobies to keep my interest in this.
But Sleepy Hollow is coming together nicely.
I like it. It's coming along nicely.
I do hate them talking over the Grrrr Arrggh.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 08, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
It's going to take more than Skye's boobies to keep my interest in this.
Do you know if there is any comic book reference for the Unobtainium? That's when we shut it off.
Quote
But Sleepy Hollow is coming together nicely.
:like:
Quote from: Eric on October 09, 2013, 04:36:04 AM
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 08, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
It's going to take more than Skye's boobies to keep my interest in this.
Do you know if there is any comic book reference for the Unobtainium? That's when we shut it off.
Quote
But Sleepy Hollow is coming together nicely.
:like:
Apparently the scientist dude becomes a super-villain called Graviton. Had I known this, I might have enjoyed it a bit more. Then again...
Skye might make a good Inara recast, since she's fluent in Mandarin and all:
http://youtu.be/pNUvqIsYo7k (http://youtu.be/pNUvqIsYo7k)
Skye running from the pool in her wet dress was pretty blatant
And appreciated
;)
(http://behindthepanels.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/shield002.jpg)
I liked it .
Also - the villain ( in progress ) is Canuckistani , so score !
(http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/polloption/graviton-17083.jpg)
Being a not-comic book geek I don't even know if this is supposed to piss anyone off ...
:P
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on October 09, 2013, 12:34:45 PM
Skye running from the pool in her wet dress was pretty blatant
And appreciated
Just as she jumped from the window the affiliate decide to cut in and remind us to tune in for election results later that evening, about five seconds worth or missed gratuitousness missed.
It's on the DVR to watch tonight. I'll get my rewind technique ready.
Oh, a 1080P version is going to fall off the interwebs just for those five seconds.
(http://i.imgur.com/O8Pe76H.gif)
That dress was taped to her boobies, or they would have been saying hello.
Jiggly puffs aside, I thought it was a much more solid episode. I'm not a major comics geek, but Graviton was used in the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. If you haven't seen that show, it's actually a fairly nice tie-in to both the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the traditional Earth 616 Marvel universe. Without all of that civil war nonsense.
Quote from: Spooky on October 09, 2013, 04:39:53 PM
That dress was taped to her boobies, or they would have been saying hello.
She was really bouncing along wasn't she. Yes, she was taped and you can tell where but at least it appears those
were really hers. Don't worry guys, I'm sure they will have many more scenes like this to show off her natural
endowments. Have a sneaky feeling those were part of the selection process in getting the part. Small women
don't usually have boobs this size without extra help. :)
Haven't watched this episode yet, I hope it gets better.
I'm pretty sure nobody on this show get the job because of their acting ability, least of all whatsername who plays the hacker.
Ratings continue to slide, the producers say they aren't worried. (Translation: they're worried.)
Whenever Skye has a scene...
(http://i.imgur.com/FelW6en.gif)
So about those dropping ratings...
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/10/agents-of-shield-full-season/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/10/agents-of-shield-full-season/)
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 10, 2013, 11:21:57 AM
So about those dropping ratings...
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/10/agents-of-shield-full-season/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/10/agents-of-shield-full-season/)
Wow, those ratings really plunged. I have a feeling they are holding on to it just because
they have nothing better to replace it with. I am however all for giving shows a chance
but I found it interesting that many of the comments about the show were the same
criticism I had so I guess it wasn't just an age thing.
Wish TNT had given King & Maxwell the same chance. They even renewed that stupid
cold case show they just put on and it's ratings are way less than K&M had.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 10, 2013, 11:21:57 AM
So about those dropping ratings...
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/10/agents-of-shield-full-season/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/10/agents-of-shield-full-season/)
At least until
Avengers II: Electro Boogalo?
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 10, 2013, 12:32:53 PM
I am however all for giving shows a chance but I found it interesting that many of the comments about the show were the same
criticism I had so I guess it wasn't just an age thing.
I'm not seeing the Jossy Jossness humor that is typical with his shows. It's just a generic show to me. Like I said before, it takes time for a show to hit its stride and so far this one hasn't. Ann and Carol watch it, so I'm pretty much forced to as well. Coulson wearing a suit and tie and dress shoes in a beach assault was a little silly. But coming in third after NCIS and The Voice must be okay with ABC/Disney.
Maybe things will jell a bit more. We have a year now for them to get their ducks in a row.
"Ann and Carol watch it ..."
Is your sister-n-law back with you Tink? I thought she moved out?
Yeah, she's been back for a while now. Not a terribly good situation.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 10, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
Yeah, she's been back for a while now. Not a terribly good situation.
Ugh. I'm sorry to hear that. :(
Coulson wearing a suit and tie and dress shoes in a beach assault was a little silly
That's his superhero costume
:neener:
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 10, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 10, 2013, 12:32:53 PM
I am however all for giving shows a chance but I found it interesting that many of the comments about the show were the same
criticism I had so I guess it wasn't just an age thing.
I'm not seeing the Jossy Jossness humor that is typical with his shows. It's just a generic show to me. Like I said before, it takes time for a show to hit its stride and so far this one hasn't. Ann and Carol watch it, so I'm pretty much forced to as well. Coulson wearing a suit and tie and dress shoes in a beach assault was a little silly. But coming in third after NCIS and The Voice must be okay with ABC/Disney.
Maybe things will jell a bit more. We have a year now for them to get their ducks in a row.
Yep, the sarcastic humor is not there and it shows. The fun humor is far and few between,
probably because he failed to pick actors that would be good at it. I think the nerds were
supposed to add that but they have failed horribly. Firefly had natural comedians like Alan
and Nathan and a surprise one with Adam that probably even surprised Joss. I really
had high hopes for this but Joss's casting skills really failed him here. I thought he was
a genius with his cast in Firefly, now I'm thinking he just got lucky.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 10, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
Yeah, she's been back for a while now. Not a terribly good situation.
Oh dear, I thought you had been able to find her something that would have
worked for all. That's a difficult situation.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 10, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 10, 2013, 12:32:53 PM
I am however all for giving shows a chance but I found it interesting that many of the comments about the show were the same
criticism I had so I guess it wasn't just an age thing.
I'm not seeing the Jossy Jossness humor that is typical with his shows. It's just a generic show to me. Like I said before, it takes time for a show to hit its stride and so far this one hasn't. Ann and Carol watch it, so I'm pretty much forced to as well. Coulson wearing a suit and tie and dress shoes in a beach assault was a little silly. But coming in third after NCIS and The Voice must be okay with ABC/Disney.
Maybe things will jell a bit more. We have a year now for them to get their ducks in a row.
I concur; it's TOO generic and I don't care about it at all. I found more depth in the Finn/Cory tribute on "Glee" just now. (Lea Michele's (Rachel) rendition of "To Make You Feel My Love" is beyond touching. Naya Rivera (Santana) sang "If I Die Young;" she has such a gorgeous voice.
SHIELD is just too cringing and there is not enough Joss in it. Joss is careful enough to make you care; I wonder how much he's really involved. I remember rolling my eyes when they showed previews for Sleepy Hollow, but I find it entertaining and thrilling.
Oh well, maybe it will get better. I'll be keeping company with the second place show The Voice.
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on October 10, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Coulson wearing a suit and tie and dress shoes in a beach assault was a little silly
That's his superhero costume
:neener:
:haha: :rofl: :loloeo: :hug: Hilarious!
The last 2 eps were written by Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen.
Everything should be approved by Joss.
The weakest characters for me are Skye and Simmons. I want to recast him with David Blue. I just don't love him, although I do understand him. Fitz I neither like nor dislike, she's pretty.
Skye seems like a strong River and a weak Faith character. I like Agent Ward. Not sure why but I do. I love May and Coulson.
The show needs to build up and get going. I believe it will.
I don't understand why folks were surprised by the huge drop. We had RECORD numbers for the premiere. People stopped and watched but that was a special occasion. I really liked the premiere and I am enjoying the ride. The team of AOS is figuring things out, both on and off screen.
I really hated the first 5 eps of Dollhouse. Then it got much better. I'm sure things will improve, especially when Ziva leaves I am guessing.
I found more depth in the Finn/Cory tribute on "Glee" just now. (Lea Michele's (Rachel) rendition of "To Make You Feel My Love" is beyond touching. Naya Rivera (Santana) sang "If I Die Young;" she has such a gorgeous voice.
I had dropped Glee a while back but picked it back up when Jessi was on that time. I kind of kept up with it since then and sort of watch it, fast-forwarding through songs and/or story and catch the highlights. But the tribute episode to Cory Monteith was pretty emotionally devastating. Lea Michelle said she never considered not coming back to the show, you can't quit life and these people are her family.
I remember rolling my eyes when they showed previews for Sleepy Hollow, but I find it entertaining and thrilling.
I'm surprised how much it has grown on me. It's over the top goofy one minute and fairly serious the next. I hope we haven't seen the last of Pez-dispenser Sulu cop.
I think SHIELD is dropping the ball by centering the stories around Skye, but Joss loves his female characters. It's like he couldn't get Eliza Dushku so he settled for Chloe Bennett and her boobs. Episode 2 featured Colson's ex in her wifebeater, leaning over a lot.
I saw an interesting comparison to the ratings of SHIELD and that superhero family show with Michael Chiclets and Rita from Dexter. They are almost exactly the same for the first three weeks. I think ABC/Marvel/Disney will continue to stick with SHIELD unless the ratings tank pretty badly. It's like a one-hour (well, 42 minute after the other commercials) commercial for the movies and comics. They have a year, so who knows.
Someone also said that SHIELD is like Raylan Givens and Hydra is Boyd Crowder. SHIELD is ostensibly the good guy but will skirt the law and break the rules when it suits them. Joss has always been about shades of grey instead of black and white and good guys and bad guys, especially when it comes to the government and government organizations. Unless a socialist is running things.
Forgive the hijack.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 11, 2013, 07:23:31 AM
I found more depth in the Finn/Cory tribute on "Glee" just now. (Lea Michele's (Rachel) rendition of "To Make You Feel My Love" is beyond touching. Naya Rivera (Santana) sang "If I Die Young;" she has such a gorgeous voice.
I had dropped Glee a while back but picked it back up when Jessi was on that time. I kind of kept up with it since then and sort of watch it, fast-forwarding through songs and/or story and catch the highlights. But the tribute episode to Cory Monteith was pretty emotionally devastating. Lea Michelle said she never considered not coming back to the show, you can't quit life and these people are her family.
Only reason to watch Glee was when Jessi was on! What broke me down I think was that song that Lea sang. "To Make You Feel My Love" is actually Bob Dylan's song, recorded by Garth Brooks (great version) and Adele (stunning). I was crying throughout the episode; the whole situation just being so sad.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 11, 2013, 07:23:31 AMI remember rolling my eyes when they showed previews for Sleepy Hollow, but I find it entertaining and thrilling.[/i]
I'm surprised how much it has grown on me. It's over the top goofy one minute and fairly serious the next. I hope we haven't seen the last of Pez-dispenser Sulu cop.
I loved the scene where he was talking about the sadness of losing his wife and he's actually talking to a North (On) Star employee. It was just played very well. But then again, I'm biased cause Tom Mison was born in England.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 11, 2013, 07:23:31 AMI think SHIELD is dropping the ball by centering the stories around Skye, but Joss loves his female characters. It's like he couldn't get Eliza Dushku so he settled for Chloe Bennett and her boobs. Episode 2 featured Colson's ex in her wifebeater, leaning over a lot.
I saw an interesting comparison to the ratings of SHIELD and that superhero family show with Michael Chiclets and Rita from Dexter. They are almost exactly the same for the first three weeks. I think ABC/Marvel/Disney will continue to stick with SHIELD unless the ratings tank pretty badly. It's like a one-hour (well, 42 minute after the other commercials) commercial for the movies and comics. They have a year, so who knows.
Someone also said that SHIELD is like Raylan Givens and Hydra is Boyd Crowder. SHIELD is ostensibly the good guy but will skirt the law and break the rules when it suits them. Joss has always been about shades of grey instead of black and white and good guys and bad guys, especially when it comes to the government and government organizations. Unless a socialist is running things.
Givens/Crowder! That's funny as hell but so true.
Quote from: Rosie on October 10, 2013, 08:55:37 PM
The last 2 eps were written by Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen.
Everything should be approved by Joss.
The weakest characters for me are Skye and Simmons. I want to recast him with David Blue. I just don't love him, although I do understand him. Fitz I neither like nor dislike, she's pretty.
Skye seems like a strong River and a weak Faith character. I like Agent Ward. Not sure why but I do. I love May and Coulson.
The show needs to build up and get going. I believe it will.
I don't understand why folks were surprised by the huge drop. We had RECORD numbers for the premiere. People stopped and watched but that was a special occasion. I really liked the premiere and I am enjoying the ride. The team of AOS is figuring things out, both on and off screen.
I really hated the first 5 eps of Dollhouse. Then it got much better. I'm sure things will improve, especially when Ziva leaves I am guessing.
Ziva left 2 weeks ago, last week was the "Ziva aftermath/she's not here" episode.
I'm not sure what the show needs; the writing could be better.
It's not following any comics (storylines) is it?
MAoS has elements from the comics, but only in passing.
It has to get better, right? Right?
[spoiler]So, good thing there wasn't a rear-view mirror in the car so Agent Studly didn't see himself.[/spoiler]
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 15, 2013, 05:45:46 PM
It has to get better, right? Right?
[spoiler]So, good thing there wasn't a rear-view mirror in the car so Agent Studly didn't see himself.[/spoiler]
Real men don't use mirrors
:neener:
The show is only slightly improving or not at all improving in areas that it should be by now. Whereas it was a slightly better episode than last week, that fact that it still remains a mediocre spy show with one-note characters doesn't give it an improving grade. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is going to have to rise above this mediocrity to deserve a grade above mediocrity.
http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.ca/2013/10/marvels-agents-of-shield-s01e04-eye-spy.html (http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.ca/2013/10/marvels-agents-of-shield-s01e04-eye-spy.html)
I agree.
I'm having fun with it - but it ain't no Buffy/Angel/Firefly and actually lags behind Dollhouse at this point .
Also lose the extra engines and shouldn't the untied down vehicles be facing towards the tail ?
:P
I'm getting the feeling that Joss's heart is not in this one.
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 16, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
I'm getting the feeling that Joss's heart is not in this one.
I'm doubt anyone's heart is in this one.
Just a WAG, but I don't think Joss really has his hands on this one that much. I think his brother and SIL are far more involved in the day to day operations than he is. I think his name is on the show and not a whole lot more.
SHIELD down another 7%. NCIS up 7%.
So while SHIELD is still dropping, it isn't dropping as much. Still, down from 4.7 to 2.6 and that can't be good.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 16, 2013, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 16, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
I'm getting the feeling that Joss's heart is not in this one.
I'm doubt anyone's heart is in this one.
Just a WAG, but I don't think Joss really has his hands on this one that much. I think his brother and SIL are far more involved in the day to day operations than he is. I think his name is on the show and not a whole lot more.
I think you're right. It doesn't have the fun humor and wit to it. They put his name up
there to draw an audience and then left it. It's not going to work unless something happens.
It sure doesn't grab my attention. I keep it on while I surf the net, but that's about it. Sad. I did perk up some when the gal hinted at some stuff to do with Coulson. Other than that mystery, I'm just not intrigued. Since I wasn't along for the Buffy and Angel runs, I can't say much for the 'lack of Joss'...but I can say it doesn't ring with his 'voice' that I found in Firefly, Dr. Horrible, or Avengers. So, yeah. Sad.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 16, 2013, 09:41:34 AM
SHIELD down another 7%. NCIS up 7%.
So while SHIELD is still dropping, it isn't dropping as much. Still, down from 4.7 to 2.6 and that can't be good.
It's been renewed , so they have a chance to grow .
And they will .
I'm in for the ride .
Superfluous engines be damned
;)
The ratings were revised upward to a 3.4% drop, so it was not as bad as feared initially.
Before she was Chloe Bennett, she was Chloe Wang, Chinese Pop Star.
Chloé Wang - "Uh Oh" (English Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S96Yqzg6JHU#)
My two newest favourite tv crushes
(http://img003.lazygirls.info/people/nicole_beharie/nicole_beharie_nicole_4__rARxNCM.sized.jpg)
(http://www.elmulticine.com/imagenes/noticias/8/chloe-bennet-pic1.jpg)
:bender:
Reddit thoughts.
Now that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D has a few Episodes out what do people think?
http://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/1omrt6/now_that_agents_of_shield_has_a_few_episodes_out/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/1omrt6/now_that_agents_of_shield_has_a_few_episodes_out/)
The reason AoS is on ABC is because of the superhero cash cow ~ we all know that. What Reddit commenters reminded me was that sometimes what turn out to be good Sci-Fi shows later had missteps in the beginning (Next Generation, SGU for examples). Not every show can be the freak of nature that Firefly, Farscape, Heroes Season 1, Lost Season 1 or Fringe Season 1 were. One commenter said AoS is like a classic 80s adventure show like The A-Team, MacGyver, Magnum P.I., or Knight Rider that had "pulp" but not necessarily the best acting or writing. The sad thing is that writing matters in this day and age. Joss surrounded himself with excellent writing teams on all his shows. There was substance and relevance with a teenagel vampire slayer and a vampire who was trying to help others. It's just lacking here. Yeah he is not in control because he has to make as great a movie or better than Avengers, the 3rd high-grossing film ever. Hope TPTB at AoS get it together.
One commenter said AoS is like a classic 80s adventure show like The A-Team, MacGyver, Magnum P.I., or Knight Rider
That's exactly what this show feels like, The A-Team.
The sad thing is that writing matters in this day and age.
Not everything can be Breaking Bad or The Wire, but you get spoiled with good writing. And good acting. And this has neither. Maybe it will get it in time, but as you said, right now it is lacking.
Yeah he is not in control because he has to make as great a movie or better than Avengers, the 3rd high-grossing film ever.
At most, Joss is giving them a list of what is and is not okay to do. His input at this point is clearly minimal, he has bigger fish to fry. The biggest laugh over the last couple of shows was telling Skye and the adorkables to pee in a water bottle. Not your typical Joss witty repartee.
And I thought I was being rough on MAoS...
But for a show that promised a deep dive into the gaping holes of possibility opened by a decade of Marvel movies, S.H.I.E.L.D., for now, feels dispiritingly like profit-generating spackle.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/90040/the-check-in-the-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-are-still-stuck-scooby-dooing-around-the-marvel-universe (http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/90040/the-check-in-the-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-are-still-stuck-scooby-dooing-around-the-marvel-universe)
I wonder what their target age group is? Maybe we're not even in that range?
http://youtu.be/13olfeD026g (http://youtu.be/13olfeD026g)
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 18, 2013, 06:03:01 AM
And I thought I was being rough on MAoS...
But for a show that promised a deep dive into the gaping holes of possibility opened by a decade of Marvel movies, S.H.I.E.L.D., for now, feels dispiritingly like profit-generating spackle.
Disney? Merchandising?
I didn't realize that Gregg who plays Coulson is married to Jennifer Grey. Actually I never really thought about it
but it is an interesting pairing.
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 18, 2013, 08:08:03 AM
I didn't realize that Gregg who plays Coulson is married to Jennifer Grey. Actually I never really thought about it
but it is an interesting pairing.
His father-in-law is a legend...imagine that! (I wish she'd not gotten a nose job...just sayin')
Quote from: Saxon on October 19, 2013, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 18, 2013, 08:08:03 AM
I didn't realize that Gregg who plays Coulson is married to Jennifer Grey. Actually I never really thought about it
but it is an interesting pairing.
His father-in-law is a legend...imagine that! (I wish she'd not gotten a nose job...just sayin')
I do to and from what I've read so does she. She lost her uniqueness and what set her
apart. She was totally unrecognizable. She didn't look bad afterwards but she did lose
her identity.
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 19, 2013, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: Saxon on October 19, 2013, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 18, 2013, 08:08:03 AM
I didn't realize that Gregg who plays Coulson is married to Jennifer Grey. Actually I never really thought about it
but it is an interesting pairing.
His father-in-law is a legend...imagine that! (I wish she'd not gotten a nose job...just sayin')
I do to and from what I've read so does she. She lost her uniqueness and what set her
apart. She was totally unrecognizable. She didn't look bad afterwards but she did lose
her identity.
Yeah, I didn't even recognize her when she was doing stuff to promote that dancing show...I thought she was a different actress altogether. She looks beautiful, but she sure doesn't look like herself.
You know what's not good? When you are watching a show, and a commercial comes on and you take a potty break...then, you notice there is some kitty litter on the floor in front of the shower, and then you notice some of your long gray hairs are in the shower drain...then you hear the show is back on. Bad right? No, what's bad is when you go ahead and clean the drain and sweep up the litter, cuz the show isn't that enthralling.
Makes me sad that I can figure where a show is going.
Breaks my heart when it's one I wanted to love.
It's been a whole episode since they showed the amazing talents that got Chloe Bennett her job.
I enjoyed that sequence .
:D
She has a great figure but she isn't that amply endowed to be called amazing. She
looked bigger in the bouncy scene than she does here. Granted she looks bigger
than most of Joss's heroines that have boyish figures though.
Her boobs did look a lot bigger in the bouncy scene, so much so that some had speculated that she was wearing enhancements in that scene.
This show is clearly the Skye and the Other Guys Show. Rapidly losing what little interest I had. Like Saxon said, cleaning cat litter is preferable.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 23, 2013, 08:35:57 AM
Her boobs did look a lot bigger in the bouncy scene, so much so that some had speculated that she was wearing enhancements in that scene.
This show is clearly the Skye and the Other Guys Show. Rapidly losing what little interest I had. Like Saxon said, cleaning cat litter is preferable.
So far I'm not impressed either. She may have been using something to push her up in the bouncy scene but that
dress was so thin you would have seen anything major. Even in that sequence you just showed she looks bigger
in some slides than others. Taking a good look though it appears she has a mild pectus excavatum which is just a fancy
name for a sunken area in between her breasts, usually genetic at birth but it does end up giving you a great
cleavage and you see it most pronounced when she bends over. :) Probably more than you wanted to know. :laugh:
For as much fun as I poked at Sleepy Hollow to start with, I was bummed out that it was rerun this week. Maybe SHIELD will find its footing, but it isn't a Joss show and it shows. It has all the elements but lacking any real chemistry.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 23, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
For as much fun as I poked at Sleepy Hollow to start with, I was bummed out that it was rerun this week. Maybe SHIELD will find its footing, but it isn't a Joss show and it shows. It has all the elements but lacking any real chemistry.
I haven't watched Sleepy Hollow but if it stays good I might buy the DVD and try it. I
really don't care for those fantasy, paranormal shows and they seem to be all the rage
now.
Nope, definitely not a Joss show. Sounds more like him trying to give his brother a
win and letting everyone insinuate he has more to do with it than he does. Just because
you have the W in your name doesn't mean you have the talent.
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 23, 2013, 10:31:14 AM
I haven't watched Sleepy Hollow but if it stays good I might buy the DVD and try it. I
really don't care for those fantasy, paranormal shows and they seem to be all the rage
now.
So far,
Sleepy Hollow is a pretty entertaining show. I love it when Crane does things like looks at a 10% sales tax and exclaims that the Boston Tea Party was done over a 2% tax -- or even less political things such as using modern technology.
It has a long story arc combined by a bunch of individual tales. There are things to nitpick, but overall it's been fun thus far.
Quote from: Eric on October 23, 2013, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 23, 2013, 10:31:14 AM
I haven't watched Sleepy Hollow but if it stays good I might buy the DVD and try it. I
really don't care for those fantasy, paranormal shows and they seem to be all the rage
now.
So far, Sleepy Hollow is a pretty entertaining show. I love it when Crane does things like looks at a 10% sales tax and exclaims that the Boston Tea Party was done over a 2% tax -- or even less political things such as using modern technology.
It has a long story arc combined by a bunch of individual tales. There are things to nitpick, but overall it's been fun thus far.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmg29qNS6y1qbis0h.gif)
Also - I'm liking SHIELD , but I do wish it was better .
:headless:
The writers for Sleepy Hollow also wrote Fringe. They said they learned to make the episodes more self-contained while still advancing the overall arc. You can miss an episode and still get the gist of what is going on.
SHIELD lost more viewers again last night, preliminary numbers down about 700K from the week before. They will probably adjust upward but the show continues to slide. It is pretty much mirroring what No Ordinary Family did a few years back, which was cancelled after one season.
Most of the people on Reddit cannot stand the cast, the acting, or the writing. They want to like the show, but can't bring themselves to do it.
Maybe Coulson needs to blow another hole in the side of the Mystery Machine (one that cannot be plugged with an inflatable raft) and jettison this group of agents. Start from scratch. Or have him wake up in Tahiti (it's a magical place) at the end of the season and exclaim that he had the worst nightmare ever then start from scratch.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2FH0OZarCHS8u63ZAuAmJD_reset.jpg)
In fairness, I only watched the first three episodes of MA S.H.I.E.L.D.
But here's a thought: What if Mo Tancharoen and Jed Whedon just aren't that good? At least in this genre?
Is that blasphemy?
Quote from: Eric on October 23, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
In fairness, I only watched the first three episodes of MA S.H.I.E.L.D.
But here's a thought: What if Mo Tancharoen and Jed Whedon just aren't that good? At least in this genre?
Is that blasphemy?
Sometimes, the Emperor really is buck naked.
Quote from: Eric on October 23, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
In fairness, I only watched the first three episodes of MA S.H.I.E.L.D.
But here's a thought: What if Mo Tancharoen and Jed Whedon just aren't that good? At least in this genre?
Is that blasphemy?
No, it's the truth. Like I said above it seems Joss leant his profile to this to give his brother
a boost and it may have bombed on him. I didn't find the cast appealing from the beginning,
apparently I wasn't the only one.
Quote from: Eric on October 23, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
In fairness, I only watched the first three episodes of MA S.H.I.E.L.D.
But here's a thought: What if Mo Tancharoen and Jed Whedon just aren't that good? At least in this genre?
Is that blasphemy?
I'd say it's a given .
I'll also say they have 16 or so episodes to show us they can get a finer edge .
I like the show .
But it ain't no Buffy/Angel/Firefly .
And I suspect it won't ever be .
Much like the rest of mainstream television .
Chloe Bennet's audition tape
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/b6chlwy.gif)[/spoiler]
She's hired!
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 23, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
Chloe Bennet's audition tape
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/b6chlwy.gif)[/spoiler]
Works for me !
Quote from: Phyll33 on October 23, 2013, 08:04:44 AM
She has a great figure but she isn't that amply endowed to be called amazing. She
looked bigger in the bouncy scene than she does here. Granted she looks bigger
than most of Joss's heroines that have boyish figures though.
Bouncy scene?
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 23, 2013, 01:41:44 PM
The writers for Sleepy Hollow also wrote Fringe. They said they learned to make the episodes more self-contained while still advancing the overall arc. You can miss an episode and still get the gist of what is going on.
SHIELD lost more viewers again last night, preliminary numbers down about 700K from the week before. They will probably adjust upward but the show continues to slide. It is pretty much mirroring what No Ordinary Family did a few years back, which was cancelled after one season.
Most of the people on Reddit cannot stand the cast, the acting, or the writing. They want to like the show, but can't bring themselves to do it.
Maybe Coulson needs to blow another hole in the side of the Mystery Machine (one that cannot be plugged with an inflatable raft) and jettison this group of agents. Start from scratch. Or have him wake up in Tahiti (it's a magical place) at the end of the season and exclaim that he had the worst nightmare ever then start from scratch.
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LOL!!! :loloeo: Love the idea to have Coulson wake from a dream in magical Tahiti!
Quote from: Eric on October 23, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
In fairness, I only watched the first three episodes of MA S.H.I.E.L.D.
But here's a thought: What if Mo Tancharoen and Jed Whedon just aren't that good? At least in this genre?
Is that blasphemy?
I thought the same thing...about the lacking, not the possible blasphemy. Have they attached themselves to any other tv show besides Drop Dead Diva? I think they may have bit off more than they can chew.
Quote from: TinkTanker on October 23, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
Chloe Bennet's audition tape
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Ahhhh...THAT bouncy scene. This was when I was tidying up the bathroom I think. heh.
You know, if I ever do anything that ticks off some secret 'not government but scarier', I hope they just cuff me, take me in and then ask me to help them out. Even stranding me in another country is fine...considering what the real world possibilities could be!!
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-whats-wrong-with-marvels-agents-of-shield#iGrrtvfyxLmk3ZX2.16 (http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-whats-wrong-with-marvels-agents-of-shield#iGrrtvfyxLmk3ZX2.16)
Takeaways from the article: Are there any compelling characters? This is the big one, and may ultimately be irreparable without ditching the bulk of the cast and starting over.
Where have we heard that before?
...but if the next episode of "SHIELD" were to open with time-traveling supervillain Kang removing all six of these leads from existence and replacing them with new characters, I don't know that I'd genuinely miss any of them.
This guy deserves a raise!
I really enjoyed this weeks ep. It was not written by Jed or Maurissa, it was Paul Zbyszewski.
It was more emotional ep, tighter but still had humor.
I am sorry for those who aren't connecting but Digby and I like it and there's more to come.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CKYBEKkCMA8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ign.com%2Farticles%2F2013%2F11%2F06%2Fmarvels-agents-of-shield-fzzt-review&ei=Y1R6Uv7AMeKdiALijIGQDg&usg=AFQjCNGz0VvBI4pe0XYBAQN0zT7k2p9zSw&sig2=KM5irZompeK5VZxTji6jcg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CKYBEKkCMA8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ign.com%2Farticles%2F2013%2F11%2F06%2Fmarvels-agents-of-shield-fzzt-review&ei=Y1R6Uv7AMeKdiALijIGQDg&usg=AFQjCNGz0VvBI4pe0XYBAQN0zT7k2p9zSw&sig2=KM5irZompeK5VZxTji6jcg)
I like it well enough so far, and I agree that last night's episode was markedly better. I even sort of kind of liked Skye. I think they're moving much slower with the character development than they could, but it's starting to come together.
We don't watch the shows live. I put it on and there was the cold opening with the campfire scene. Then they show the plane with way too many engines and the Scoobies mulling around. Ann couldn't figure out what was going on, she thought we were watching NCIS.
No way Fitz or Simmons (I haven't learned which one is which yet) was going to die this early. There isn't enough of an emotional investment in whichever character it is yet for Joss to kill them off. Yet. Thankfully the episode wasn't about the hacker that betrayed the team but inexplicably is still on the team instead at Gitmo where she belongs.
I'd hoped there for a moment that they were going to take my advice and have a 200 gigajoules lightning bolt tear through the plane over the Atlantic and get rid of all the characters and just start from scratch.
Big cameo was someone from a bonus scene from the DVD.
I find it interesting that about half the people think the show should try to tie into the movies more and about half think they should stand on their own more/explore the other aspects of the Marvel universe more.
I kinda thought that Simmons was a goner ( and would return with some powers later down the road ala Fred/Illyria ) before Ward went all James Bondy .
I also enjoyed the nerds mocking Ward and Ward being aware ...
The Bus needs a crew .
Coulson's scar means he's real , right ?
;)
Quote from: TinkTanker on November 06, 2013, 07:08:27 AM
We don't watch the shows live. I put it on and there was the cold opening with the campfire scene. Then they show the plane with way too many engines and the Scoobies mulling around. Ann couldn't figure out what was going on, she thought we were watching NCIS.
:haha: I had the exact same thought. I torrented NCIS and MAoS and watched them on my computer, because both the TV's were being used and I didn't want to wait to watch it on the DVR. Anyway, when that opening scene started I thought I had started the wrong video. I was right out of the NCIS opening scene playbook.
I thought Coulson's scene with the firefighter was well done. He and May at least have more chemistry than Ward and Spy!Barbie.
Quote from: geogal on November 06, 2013, 10:48:40 AM
I thought Coulson's scene with the firefighter was well done. He and May at least have more chemistry than Ward and Spy!Barbie.
Yeah, the electricity in the air wasn't just from the floating rats! Whew...I actually FELT something watching this ep. Got misty when they were all feeling so helpless and sad...and Coulson would not let her give up, and how he was with the doomed firefighter...and LOVED his talk about death. But boy, May and Coulson were smokin' in that segment! Does he have a high 'metal' content cuz there is something alien in there? hmmmm?
Notice how I didn't bitch last week? Even though the ratings continued to fall?
Last week was... moving in the right direction. As was this week. It's moved off my 'dear God please make it stop' list to my 'well, it's getting there' list. It still isn't the show I thought it would be (whatever I thought it would be, this still ain't it) but I'm willing to give it more time. For now.
Next week, Thor II tie-in episode. So if you haven't seen Thor II and want to be in on whatever tie-in they manage, go see Thor before.
Quote from: TinkTanker on November 13, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
Last week was... moving in the right direction.
I actually watched last week's; I tend to agree.
I enjoyed it ( surprise ! )
Liked how Fitz said that Coulson had asked him to watch over Ward .
;)
That said - the Bus needs a crew
:deadhorse:
Assorted Musings:
Next week is set after the events of Thor: The Dark World. Y'all best see the movie before then.
I forgot to mention that apparently there's a big mystery with Skye's parents and we learned that a SHIELD agent dropped her off at an orphanage when she was a baby, but also whatever the deal is Coulson is still keeping it a secret even after the "let's share information with friends" moral of the episode. I failed to mention this because I don't care.
Seriously, the show has done nothing to make me care about Skye's mystery at all. Oh, she was dropped off by a SHIELD agent who was murdered? Do I know the agent? Do I know how she died or who killed her? No? Then I don't care. The only person interested in this mystery is Skye, and Skye still isn't likable enough for the audience to give a gao se about her back-story.
http://io9.com/ive-figured-out-all-the-problems-with-agents-of-shiel-1463710013 (http://io9.com/ive-figured-out-all-the-problems-with-agents-of-shiel-1463710013)
Seriously, Skye is becoming the Jar-Jar Binks of this show. She's a hacker who has betrayed the team yet still stays on the team. WTF kind of organization is SHIELD? I know Joss is all about the grrrrrrrrrlllllllll power but c'mon.
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I'd be pissed if someone threw this away
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on November 13, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
I'd be pissed if someone threw this away
Not sure what episode that references, but now I'm hungry as heck.
Quote from: Eric on November 13, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on November 13, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
I'd be pissed if someone threw this away
Not sure what episode that references, but now I'm hungry as heck.
It's in the most recent episode. Ward threw away Fitz's sandwich because the dogs could
track them.
The show is finally growing on me slowly. They are fleshing out the characters better and
giving them more personality. I'm not wild about the constant secrets that are set up to keep
you watching and while Skye is not my favorite character she serves a purpose by being the
one person to go off the grid and be the bad guy to save the day as in the most recent episode.
Everyone else doesn't want to buck authority but she will if necessary and that will be her role
on the show.
Quote from: AdmiralDigby on November 13, 2013, 10:42:41 AM
I enjoyed it ( surprise ! )
Liked how Fitz said that Coulson had asked him to watch over Ward .
;)
That said - the Bus needs a crew
:deadhorse:
I loved the focus on Fitz and he fact that he really had Ward's back.
My favorite scene was Skye and Simmons when she says, "I like to follow the rules. It makes me feel nice." It was awesome!
I really enjoyed this ep!
The ratings after the break were just as bad as they were before. Given that they had promoted this heavily as the big payoff about Coulson and Tahiti (it's a magical place), not good news. A 2.1 rating tied the previous series low.
The fat lady ain't singing quite yet, but she is warming up.
I liked it
I also like hospital food
:neener:
Returned last night with a disastrous 1.7 rating, 5.1 million viewers, less than half its original audience.
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I've stopped watching.
Oddly it's grown on me. The characters are finally getting fleshed out and the stories are getting more
interesting. Too bad it may be too little too late.
Quote from: Phyll33 on March 05, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Oddly it's grown on me. The characters are finally getting fleshed out and the stories are getting more
interesting. Too bad it may be too little too late.
The last few episodes haven't been too bad. They are mentioning in promos that 'everything finally comes together' or something. But the ratings are terrible. If they don't improve I don't see how it comes back.
I don't know, I don't think they'll give up the opportunity to tie in to the MCU that quickly. Next week will be interesting, with Jamie Alexander on. They've been promoting the heck out of Lady Sif, as well as the tie-in to CA:TWS.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/09/marvels-agents-of-shields-ratings-might-not-matter.aspx (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/09/marvels-agents-of-shields-ratings-might-not-matter.aspx)
The problem is that the show is acting like an infomercial for the movies/DVDs. The only people left watching are people who are already hardcore fans who will buy the DVDs and go to the movies. It doesn't really broaden the audience.
It's kind of like when Universal had those screenings for Serenity. The only people who showed up were people who were going to see the movie anyway.
Underestimate Agent Eric Koenig at your own peril.
http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/3/20/22184/exclusive_patton_oswalt_enlists_in_marvels_agents_of_shield. (http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/3/20/22184/exclusive_patton_oswalt_enlists_in_marvels_agents_of_shield.)
Quote from: TinkTanker on March 20, 2014, 02:18:29 PM
Underestimate Agent Eric Koenig at your own peril.
http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/3/20/22184/exclusive_patton_oswalt_enlists_in_marvels_agents_of_shield. (http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/3/20/22184/exclusive_patton_oswalt_enlists_in_marvels_agents_of_shield.)
Constable Bob is a tough sonovabitch
Not sure if anyone's posted this, but the series has been renewed for another S.E.A.S.O.N.
Quote from: Eric on May 13, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
Not sure if anyone's posted this, but the series has been renewed for another S.E.A.S.O.N.
I knew that
but
:bender:
It got nearly tolerable there towards the end.
I'm glad they renewed it. It did improve a lot as the episodes moved along and my
shows that I enjoy have been getting very thin lately. More are being canceled on me
than I can find replacements for.
I have all the eps on DVR. I'll catch up sometime.
Quote from: Spooky on June 03, 2014, 02:07:49 PM
I have all the eps on DVR. I'll catch up sometime.
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"On DVR"
Got to meet Clark Gregg, Ming Na Wen, Elizabeth Henstridge, Brett Dalton, and J. August Richards at Comicpalooza. They were all super gracious, Clark Gregg is a total Fan Boy just like Coulson(he got really excited when people asked what comics he read as a kid), Brett Dalton is REALLY loving the change-up for Ward, and they know nothing about Season 2. According to Clark Gregg, you never know anything until you get a call in the middle of the night from 'not enough numbers' and suddenly you're on a plane.
And Stan Lee and Lou Ferrigno crashed the panel. Crowd (and actors) went wild. Lots of selfies with Stan by the cast.
Sounds awesome, Geo!
The spin-off series is getting a spin-off (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/09/shield-spinoff).
QuoteWe don't know is which characters from the current series will be moving over to the proposed spinoff – so let the speculation being on that. There won't be an implanted pilot episode this season directly setting up the spinoff, either (like how CW launched The Flash out of Arrow). However, story elements that are still to come on SHIELD this year will be used to lay the groundwork for the potential new series. So by the end of the season – assuming the details for this project haven't already leaked, which is rather unlikely – the spinoff concept should be clear.
I'm waiting for the spin off or the spin off of the spin off.
Quote from: Spooky on April 10, 2015, 07:51:28 AM
I'm waiting for the spin off or the spin off of the spin off.
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Renewed for a season three. (http://www.thewrap.com/agent-carter-secrets-and-lies-and-fresh-off-the-boat-among-abcs-22-returning-series/)
As long as CW is kicking ass and taking names, MaoS is cancellation-proof. Marvel needs some presence on network TV.